Help with reading the spam can, what and where it from.

Greatfullded · March 9, 2018, 10:27 PM

I have 4 pics... I need help to decipher the letter on 3 of the pics... and the 4th pic I need someone who can understand Russian?? All of these I'm 99.9% sure they are all 7.62x54R ammo.. I do believe 2 of the cans are type 53 ammo which is Nagant ammo.. but need to know how many and what type of round.. light ball.. heavy ball.. AP ??

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( pic 4 ) This is the Russian wooden case which I cant understand at all.. hardcore Russian.

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I would appreciate any help on deciphering these tins and wood crate..

Thank you

Rangerrich99 · March 9, 2018, 10:58 PM

Pretty sure that's not Russian (can't access the 4th pic). I studied Russian in high school and a little in college, and I don't recognize any of those characters. I also studied a little Korean, and while a few of the characters look familiar, I don't think it's Korean either. Looks like Chinese to me. There's a name for those Chinese characters/style but I can't remember what it is right now. If I do remember, I'll post it back here. Sorry I can't be more help.

jonnyc · March 9, 2018, 11:09 PM

Numbers 1 and 2 are Chinese, and 3 and 4 are Russian.
I had the pics open once, but now they won't open for me.

Rangerrich99 · March 9, 2018, 11:34 PM

Now i can see the 4th pic. That's definitely Russian. Trying to sound it out, but some of the letters are smeared or just look weird. hang on.

Rangerrich99 · March 9, 2018, 11:43 PM

Okay, so this word, "брутто" means gross, so probably referring to a gross of weight or number.

Rangerrich99 · March 9, 2018, 11:52 PM

Okay, i had to kind of look this one up. The second line, "ящик н" means crate. So, crate 1-1738

Rangerrich99 · March 10, 2018, 12:00 AM

Okay, i'm not sure about the first line; I think there may be letters hidden by the strap or something. My best guess is that "груэо получатель" means "receiver recipient" but I can't say for sure because it's been a long time since I've read any Russian, and the actual writing is just different from anything i ever read when I was studying Russian. But if I got it right, then the first line reads, "receiver recipient B-5." The second line reads, "Crate 1-1738." And the last line reads, "Gross 21 Kw." that's the best I can do. Bearing in mind I may have mis-remembered some of the letters.

Greatfullded · March 10, 2018, 12:17 AM

Thank you for doing that... I guess this is more of a lot # for the Russian crate.. I guess I have to open this up to get the actual print on the spam can I guess??

Greatfullded · March 10, 2018, 12:22 AM

Can anyone tell me about the 3rd pic.. I know its Russian.. how many rds in spam can and what kind of bullet tip??

Rangerrich99 · March 10, 2018, 12:24 AM

Probably, sorry about that. The Cyrillic is pic 3 aren't words, so far as I can tell. They're like acronyms or just initials. Like ACP is Automatic Colt Pistol. All I can tell you is the approximate english letters. So the three letters after "7.62 I THINK are "P G Z." Whatever that means.

tangolima · March 10, 2018, 02:03 AM

Pic 1 and 2 are in Chinese, which I can help. The other are in Russian, which is over my head. Although I am proficient in Chinese, the markings are in abbreviations. I try my best to decipher.

Pic 1
Line 1: Type 53, 7.62, normal (steel), 400
Line2: possibly date / batch codes

Type 53 is mosin carbine, so 7.62x54r. Normal probably means non-AP. Steel could mean steel core bullet or steel casing. 440 could be # of rounds. Production date possibly May 1967 (5-67).

Pic 2 is very similar to pic 1.
Line 1: Type 53, 7.62, normal (steel)
Line 2: 729-30 (clip)
Line 3: 10-56, light, single, ...

It is probably same ammo in stripper clips. Production date Oct 1956. Light possibly means bullet weight. Single is puzzling. It possibly means the individual clips, instead of boxes of clips.

Hope it helps.

-TL

Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk

Greatfullded · March 10, 2018, 11:25 AM

Yes that did help a lot... thank you.. now I will write it down on the spam can, at least I know whats in it instead of cracking it open...

**44 AMP** · March 11, 2018, 03:28 AM

as of 3/11 (my time) none of the pics are visible.

Thank you, Photobucket!

Greatfullded · March 11, 2018, 11:13 AM

ya... somehow the pics are being displayed one min.. then disabled the next.. some kind of glitch o well..

March 9, 2018, 10:27 PM	#1
Greatfullded Junior Member Join Date: March 9, 2018 Posts: 5	Help with reading the spam can, what and where it from. I have 4 pics... I need help to decipher the letter on 3 of the pics... and the 4th pic I need someone who can understand Russian?? All of these I'm 99.9% sure they are all 7.62x54R ammo.. I do believe 2 of the cans are type 53 ammo which is Nagant ammo.. but need to know how many and what type of round.. light ball.. heavy ball.. AP ?? ( pic 1 ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ( pic 2 ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ( pic 3 ) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ( pic 4 ) This is the Russian wooden case which I cant understand at all.. hardcore Russian. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I would appreciate any help on deciphering these tins and wood crate.. Thank you Last edited by Greatfullded; March 10, 2018 at 11:55 AM.

March 9, 2018, 11:09 PM	#3
jonnyc Senior Member Join Date: July 20, 2009 Location: PA Posts: 1,731	Numbers 1 and 2 are Chinese, and 3 and 4 are Russian. I had the pics open once, but now they won't open for me. __________________ 2024 PA Cartridge Collector Show; Aug. 16-17, 2024!!! Buy...Sell...Trade All Types of Ammunition & Ordnance PM or email me for 2024 show details.

March 10, 2018, 12:17 AM	#8
Greatfullded Junior Member Join Date: March 9, 2018 Posts: 5	reading the crate Thank you for doing that... I guess this is more of a lot # for the Russian crate.. I guess I have to open this up to get the actual print on the spam can I guess??

March 10, 2018, 11:25 AM	#12
Greatfullded Junior Member Join Date: March 9, 2018 Posts: 5	ammo Yes that did help a lot... thank you.. now I will write it down on the spam can, at least I know whats in it instead of cracking it open...

March 11, 2018, 03:28 AM	#13
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,832	as of 3/11 (my time) none of the pics are visible. Thank you, Photobucket! __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

March 9, 2018, 10:58 PM	#2
Rangerrich99 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2014 Location: Kinda near Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,254	Pretty sure that's not Russian (can't access the 4th pic). I studied Russian in high school and a little in college, and I don't recognize any of those characters. I also studied a little Korean, and while a few of the characters look familiar, I don't think it's Korean either. Looks like Chinese to me. There's a name for those Chinese characters/style but I can't remember what it is right now. If I do remember, I'll post it back here. Sorry I can't be more help.

March 9, 2018, 11:34 PM	#4
Rangerrich99 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2014 Location: Kinda near Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,254	Now i can see the 4th pic. That's definitely Russian. Trying to sound it out, but some of the letters are smeared or just look weird. hang on.

March 9, 2018, 11:43 PM	#5
Rangerrich99 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2014 Location: Kinda near Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,254	Okay, so this word, "брутто" means gross, so probably referring to a gross of weight or number.

March 9, 2018, 11:52 PM	#6
Rangerrich99 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2014 Location: Kinda near Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,254	Okay, i had to kind of look this one up. The second line, "ящик н" means crate. So, crate 1-1738

March 10, 2018, 12:00 AM	#7
Rangerrich99 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2014 Location: Kinda near Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,254	Okay, i'm not sure about the first line; I think there may be letters hidden by the strap or something. My best guess is that "груэо получатель" means "receiver recipient" but I can't say for sure because it's been a long time since I've read any Russian, and the actual writing is just different from anything i ever read when I was studying Russian. But if I got it right, then the first line reads, "receiver recipient B-5." The second line reads, "Crate 1-1738." And the last line reads, "Gross 21 Kw." that's the best I can do. Bearing in mind I may have mis-remembered some of the letters.

March 10, 2018, 12:22 AM	#9
Greatfullded Junior Member Join Date: March 9, 2018 Posts: 5	Can anyone tell me about the 3rd pic.. I know its Russian.. how many rds in spam can and what kind of bullet tip??

March 10, 2018, 12:24 AM	#10
Rangerrich99 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2014 Location: Kinda near Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,254	Probably, sorry about that. The Cyrillic is pic 3 aren't words, so far as I can tell. They're like acronyms or just initials. Like ACP is Automatic Colt Pistol. All I can tell you is the approximate english letters. So the three letters after "7.62 I THINK are "P G Z." Whatever that means.

March 10, 2018, 02:03 AM	#11
tangolima Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2013 Posts: 3,824	Pic 1 and 2 are in Chinese, which I can help. The other are in Russian, which is over my head. Although I am proficient in Chinese, the markings are in abbreviations. I try my best to decipher. Pic 1 Line 1: Type 53, 7.62, normal (steel), 400 Line2: possibly date / batch codes Type 53 is mosin carbine, so 7.62x54r. Normal probably means non-AP. Steel could mean steel core bullet or steel casing. 440 could be # of rounds. Production date possibly May 1967 (5-67). Pic 2 is very similar to pic 1. Line 1: Type 53, 7.62, normal (steel) Line 2: 729-30 (clip) Line 3: 10-56, light, single, ... It is probably same ammo in stripper clips. Production date Oct 1956. Light possibly means bullet weight. Single is puzzling. It possibly means the individual clips, instead of boxes of clips. Hope it helps. -TL Sent from my SM-G930T using Tapatalk

March 11, 2018, 11:13 AM	#14
Greatfullded Junior Member Join Date: March 9, 2018 Posts: 5	ya... somehow the pics are being displayed one min.. then disabled the next.. some kind of glitch o well..