Gun Registration Soon Mandatory in CT! - Page 2

Eagle0711 · February 13, 2011, 06:36 PM

The Gun Rights Groups should take up this fight in the courts. Citizens of Ct should fight it on a personal level.

Historicaliy conficastion follows regristion.

**Aguila Blanca** · February 13, 2011, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CortJestir

Word from the public hearing on the 10th is that this most likely will not pass. The money alone for the DPS to administer such a database was/is a concern to the PS committee.

Don't believe it.

The Connecticut Department of Public Safety already has the database. They've had it for years ... and I'm sure Conn. Trooper can tell us how many crimes involving firearms have been solved as a result of the database.

If they get legislation that allows them to charge a fee for every gun they enter, and then charge another fee every five years to just look and say "Yep, still there" ... it won't in any way enhance public safety but the State Police will run it as a cash cow.

publius42 · February 14, 2011, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Conn. Trooper

Registration and confiscation are two different things.

While that is true, registration is a precursor to confiscation.

But even if it does not go that far, there are problems. The first has already been pointed out: an expensive PITA that will accomplish little to fight crime.

There are others short of confiscation. If you have to register guns, then the state must say which ones can be registered. They must have a "Safe Guns List" like the one in California (the one that outlaws guns for being left-handed versions, or the wrong color).

The state must also say who may register guns and set penalties for failure. One result has already been pointed out: people like me who tend to overlook paperwork at times could procrastinate our way into a felony. Felony procrastination? Another result will be continued attempts to restrict who can register - another crowbar between citizens and guns.

A scheme of dubious benefit that is subject to a wide variety of potential abuse. I'm glad to hear it has little chance of passage.

Conn. Trooper · February 14, 2011, 09:03 AM

Oh no doubt it could be abused. But I would bet real money it's not going anywhere. More people on the state payroll is not happening. No chance as far as I can see.

We do have a weapons database, it shows guns transferred through licensed dealers and all handgun sales. It's never been accurate or up to date. They are swamped and overrun in the weapons unit.

Daugherty16 · February 14, 2011, 01:01 PM

The bill was approved by the PS committee; from there its path is less certain. ConnTrooper makes a good point, in that adding tasks to an already overwhelmed dept is not going to fly, and with a budget deficit that there is no hope of closing this year, the bill might never come to vote in front of the entire legislature.

However, there are LOTS of dems in the legislature who vote on misinformation and emotion, for whom "gun" is a scary 4-letter word, and who never saw a gun-control bill they didn't vote Aye on.

I don't have a clue where Malloy (gov) stands on firearms. I intend to have this bill killed before it gets any further traction and could use some help!

Remember: in US v. Haynes (USSC, 1968) a convicted felon was granted immunity from prosecution for both possessing an unregistered firearm and for failing to register it, both predicated upon his 5th Amendment rights against self-incrimination. So the only people who can be compelled to register their guns are law-abiding people, who as a reward for obeying the law don't have the 5th Amendment defense.

Perhaps Conn Trooper can tell us how many gun crimes are committed each year by previously law-abiding citizens (no criminal record), with guns they legally purchased and owned? If the number in CT isn't infinitesimal i'll be shocked.

So what evil exactly is this bill supposed to cure?

HotShot.444 · February 14, 2011, 01:30 PM

My Glocks are already 27-round "Committee[s] on Public Safety and Security?" Everyone around them is safe, except perps with weapons themselves.

ronto · February 14, 2011, 02:50 PM

I left CT in 1969 and moved to a free State...So I don't care what those busy-body morons do either.

**Aguila Blanca** · February 14, 2011, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ronto

I left CT in 1969 and moved to a free State...So I don't care what those busy-body morons do either.

That's lovely for you.

I still have family in Connecticut and I am not prepared to say that I will never visit my brother. I hold a Connecticut carry permit. I have reason to care what those busy-body morons do ... and so do a lot of other people who are potentially affected by the idiocy.

**44 AMP** · February 15, 2011, 12:12 AM

Besides being a gun law, which parties of the public safety obsession type always like, could it not also be a cash cow for the state, rather than a drain?

You have said, the database already exists, and what fees and fines are possible down the road if this becomes law? Raising taxes on everyone is unpopular, and the "regular" sin taxes are already reaching diminshing returns in some areas, another fee that only those willing to pay will pay, seems like it could appeal to lawmakers in this cash strapped time.

And it is unlikely that the courts will find registration fees excessive until they come close (or even pass) the cost of the gun! And maybe, not even then!

Conn. Trooper · February 15, 2011, 08:37 PM

The state doesn't even go after people that skip bail. They are not going to hire people to follow up on gun registration issues. The fine for DWI is usually only $500, and it costs a whole lot more than that from start to finish.

February 14, 2011, 01:01 PM	#30
Daugherty16 Senior Member Join Date: July 10, 2008 Location: Live Free or Die state Posts: 259	Define "Passage" The bill was approved by the PS committee; from there its path is less certain. ConnTrooper makes a good point, in that adding tasks to an already overwhelmed dept is not going to fly, and with a budget deficit that there is no hope of closing this year, the bill might never come to vote in front of the entire legislature. However, there are LOTS of dems in the legislature who vote on misinformation and emotion, for whom "gun" is a scary 4-letter word, and who never saw a gun-control bill they didn't vote Aye on. I don't have a clue where Malloy (gov) stands on firearms. I intend to have this bill killed before it gets any further traction and could use some help! Remember: in US v. Haynes (USSC, 1968) a convicted felon was granted immunity from prosecution for both possessing an unregistered firearm and for failing to register it, both predicated upon his 5th Amendment rights against self-incrimination. So the only people who can be compelled to register their guns are law-abiding people, who as a reward for obeying the law don't have the 5th Amendment defense. Perhaps Conn Trooper can tell us how many gun crimes are committed each year by previously law-abiding citizens (no criminal record), with guns they legally purchased and owned? If the number in CT isn't infinitesimal i'll be shocked. So what evil exactly is this bill supposed to cure? __________________ "To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness... How pathetic." - - Ted Nugent "Cogito, Ergo Armitum Sum" - (I Think, Therefore I Am Armed)- - anon.

February 14, 2011, 01:30 PM	#31
HotShot.444 Junior member Join Date: September 21, 2010 Posts: 112	Say that it is to "perteckt the chirrenz." My Glocks are already 27-round "Committee[s] on Public Safety and Security?" Everyone around them is safe, except perps with weapons themselves.

February 14, 2011, 02:50 PM	#32
ronto Senior Member Join Date: January 5, 2007 Location: Smack Dab in the Middle of Nowhere. Posts: 505	I left CT in 1969 and moved to a free State...So I don't care what those busy-body morons do either. __________________ "We will do this: we will hang together, we will keep our organization, our arms, our discipline, our hatred of oppression, until one universal shout goes up from an admiring age that this Missouri Cavalry Division preferred exile to submission, death to dishonor". General Joseph O. Shelby, CSA (1830-1897) The only Confederate General who refused to surrender himself or his 1,000+ "Iron Brigade".

February 15, 2011, 12:12 AM	#34
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,835	Besides being a gun law, which parties of the public safety obsession type always like, could it not also be a cash cow for the state, rather than a drain? You have said, the database already exists, and what fees and fines are possible down the road if this becomes law? Raising taxes on everyone is unpopular, and the "regular" sin taxes are already reaching diminshing returns in some areas, another fee that only those willing to pay will pay, seems like it could appeal to lawmakers in this cash strapped time. And it is unlikely that the courts will find registration fees excessive until they come close (or even pass) the cost of the gun! And maybe, not even then! __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

February 13, 2011, 06:36 PM	#26
Eagle0711 Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2010 Posts: 782	The Gun Rights Groups should take up this fight in the courts. Citizens of Ct should fight it on a personal level. Historicaliy conficastion follows regristion.

February 14, 2011, 09:03 AM	#29
Conn. Trooper Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 530	Oh no doubt it could be abused. But I would bet real money it's not going anywhere. More people on the state payroll is not happening. No chance as far as I can see. We do have a weapons database, it shows guns transferred through licensed dealers and all handgun sales. It's never been accurate or up to date. They are swamped and overrun in the weapons unit.

February 15, 2011, 08:37 PM	#35
Conn. Trooper Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 530	The state doesn't even go after people that skip bail. They are not going to hire people to follow up on gun registration issues. The fine for DWI is usually only $500, and it costs a whole lot more than that from start to finish.