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May 4, 2009, 08:23 AM | #101 | |
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I was thinking more along the lines of "get yer butts into that building full of insurgents and secure it" or "go do your job and arrest the bad guy". How about riding in a higgins boat to a beach reinforced with battalions of angry Germans, concertina wire and machine guns? At some point people in dangerous jobs have to get out there and take risks to get the dirtbags off the street.
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From this link... http://odmp.org/officer/19925-deputy...en-(skip)-york Posted on page 4 #88. He was not between the firing line and parking area. He was standing at his truck no guns in hand. Initially cooperative. No trouble cuffing unless you count the resistance met with a taser. And yes, this range is in the boonies. But it is a 2 lane U.S. Highway with many high speed, wide radius curves where a high speed pursuit would likely result in a head on collision with an oncoming vehicle doing a minimum of 55 mph. No way to get traffic stopped less than 18 miles (intersection where chase ended) from the range. No way to get officers in front of chase right away as the area from the range to the chase end location is not heavily patrolled due to the peaceful rural setting typically in place. Brent |
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May 4, 2009, 11:07 AM | #104 |
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John Dillinger killed a cop and he was pretty cool.
If the guy shot the cops then ran away Id let him be, if the guy start looking for other people to shoot then I would step in. Last edited by onthejon55; May 4, 2009 at 11:09 AM. Reason: Spelled "Dillinger" wrong |
May 13, 2009, 01:38 AM | #105 | |
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To think that anybody, including John Dillinger, should be given a pass for murder simply because their victim was a police officer is obscene. As far as your "cool" guy Dillinger, he was a school dropout who joined the Navy to stay out of trouble with the law and then went AWOL and was dishonorably discharged. He was a loser that couldn't keep his marriage together, couldn't hold a job, and could barely keep from getting arrested for much of his "career". His gang is credited with murdering at least 10 people. I wonder who many widows and orphans they left in their wake? |
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May 13, 2009, 02:38 AM | #106 |
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As far as the thread scenario, one thing I would want to consider is are you involving yourself in an attack that is in progress or one that has already been completed and the suspect is trying to flee. Most gunfights are fast, and will be over quickly, so you're likely to realize that the police are down as the suspect is fleeing the scene.
If the suspect is fleeing the scene then I think there is nothing wrong with being a good witness and rendering first aid. That said I like a previous post that mentions raining fire on the suspect vehicle. At the least you damage the vehicle and make it more recognizable and at best you put a GoldDot through the suspects medulla (this is of course after considering backstop/bystanders, etc). For those of you who don't want to engage the suspect, consider this twist. If the officers are both down, but the suspect is still engaged with them and not attempting to flee, how would you feel if he walked up on his wounded, incapacitated victims and executed them with a finishing shot to the head? If the police officers are down and the suspects isn't fleeing, I am likely to start shooting. Last edited by Blue Steel; May 13, 2009 at 02:47 AM. |
May 13, 2009, 02:59 AM | #107 |
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With the situation you described, one does not know for sure that the cops were the GGs and the shooter was the BG. I'm serious. Criminals have been known to impersonate police from time to time.
If I was a mastermind for some gang I was in, I might consider a shooting range a pretty good place to score some guns. Coming off as cops could "disarm" your intended victims so to speak making what would seem like an insane idea all of a sudden not so far fetched. Of course you better hope none of the people there are off duty who know you aren't one, but still. It might be something a gang desperate for guns would send some low level members to try for them. If they pull it off great, if not, there are others to replace them. But, assuming you know the cops are for real, then I would say immediately cover the BG with your gun while you yourself try to get behind some cover. You being alive is as much as evidence against the BG, so it is very reasonable to consider he may go for you next to erase that evidence. Be prepared as you can be. At this point, you have the right to use force to effect a citizens arrest. You directly witnessed someone commit a crime which is an arrestable offense (capital murder of 2 officers). It is not heresay or guesswork. You witnessed it. But, whether you CHOOSE to try and arrest a dangerous criminal with a gun in his hand is something each person has to decide for themselves based upon risk and other factors. Even cops try to get backup before engaging someone like this unless the BG forces the issue on them. |
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Just cause they're pigs dont mean they aren't tryin to screw over on the guy. some places in this country, you are well within your rights to kill anybody who tries to violate your constitutional rights
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SSilicon, The situation posted about involved 2 uniformed county deputies in a marked patrol car complete with roof rack of lights... Not much reason to believe they were impostors.
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May 13, 2009, 04:43 AM | #112 |
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all the way i understand the law
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I think it's safe to say that this one's run its course. Advocating killing "anybody that tries to violate your constitutional rights" certainly does nothing to promote responsible firearms ownership and doesn't put any of us in a good light.
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