Swedish Ljungman questions???

skidooman603 · September 10, 2009, 03:40 PM

I am looking to purchase one of these rifles. A couple questions. Do they have a rear peep? How do they compare to the M1 Garand accuracy and weight wise? Always been a fan of the 6.5x55

Claude Clay · September 10, 2009, 03:49 PM

weight is less than a garand--but unless you are going to carry it afield it matters little.
accuracy of both is dependant on the bbl.
the m-96 when set for 100 meters is going to shoot high cause they really are zeroed for 300 when set for 100.
k-31's are the same: go figure

for the 6,5 if you know how to read the disk you will know what condition the bbl was the last time it left the arsenal. a 6.4(marked on the )9 is best. on the '0' is acceptable. the wedge with a 1-2-3 in it should have no mark or the '1'. the 'torp' is how it is sighted at 300 metere--over or under. not truly relevant as you will be reloading for 100 [ or whatever] yards yourself.

none i have seen have factory peeps. i have seen one with an aftermarket peep and it looked professional. the stock had been sporterized also so i am going to guess it was used for hunting. in Europe the 6.5 x 55 is used much as our 30-30 is here.

hodaka · September 10, 2009, 05:32 PM

You are mixing up your Swedes, Claude. The Ljungman is a semi-auto. I have never fired one but would love to have one. A friend had one and I think they are good quality, on par with a Garand but more rare.

BTW- the sights on a K-31 are set for 100yds (or meters).

skidooman603 · September 10, 2009, 06:34 PM

Thanks for the feedback. I own many Garands, 1903s, 1903A3's, M1 Carbines, 1917's, Mausers, ect but this one intriques me.

hodaka · September 10, 2009, 07:02 PM

Me too! The Egyptian Hakim is a rough copy in 8mm. In the early 90's you could pick those up for a couple of hundred bucks IIRC. What sort of price are you looking at these days?

Baba Louie · September 10, 2009, 07:10 PM

Think of a Garand using direct impingement gas action, no op rod, etc and you have your Ljungman... more or less.

skidooman603 · September 11, 2009, 03:22 AM

Nice ones seem to be goin in the $600-$800 range

2damnold4this · September 11, 2009, 06:48 AM

I had a Rashid, an Egyptian version of the Ljungman in 7.62x39, but could never get it to run right.

GONIF · September 11, 2009, 01:41 PM

the egyptian version of the Ag42 Ljungman is in fact the Hakim ,the Rashid is a strange version of the Hakim in 7.62x39 that looks like an SKS of sorts ..I have both the Hakim in 8mm and a Ljungman in6.5x55 and they both are great rifles . if you have a chance to get a nice example of ether you will enjoy it .prices on a good Ljungman are going to be high and you may have trouble finding spare parts shoul you need them in the future .

I also have 2 M1 Garands 1 is a CMP rack grade and 1 is a Cmp that was a top grade (I forget what they called it ) that looks new . both are excellant shooters . given the choice of a Ljungman or a M1 Garand in top condition I would opt for a Garand . that said if I wanted a semi auto of that era it would be the M1A/M14 .

2damnold4this · September 11, 2009, 02:21 PM

Yes, the Rashid has a charging handle unlike the Hakim but otherwise it has the same operating system. I never could get more than five or six shots in a row before it would dork up. Maybe that's why the Egyptians made so few Rashids.

skidooman603 · September 11, 2009, 02:49 PM

My problem is I have a tough time with the notch rear sight versus a peep. My mausers I cant shoot nearly as well as my American mil-surps with a peep

BobR · September 11, 2009, 02:56 PM

Quote:

I have both the Hakim in 8mm and a Ljungman in6.5x55 and they both are great rifles .

I have both of them also. The Ljungman is a much nicer rifle, IMO. But, the Hakim is great for clearing the benches next to me of riff-raff if needed.

Quote:

My mausers I cant shoot nearly as well as my American mil-surps with a peep

Try one of these for your Mausers, people swear by them.

http://www.mojosights.com/

bob

GONIF · September 11, 2009, 03:09 PM

and I see I'm not the only one who brings a Hakim to the range to clear the bench next to me ,ya gotta love the MB on the Hakim .

Tom2 · September 11, 2009, 07:33 PM

I remember seeing a Swede for around 250$ plus or minus(probaby plus) years ago at the gun shows. I was tempted and should have bit. I am sure is softer shooting than the Egyptian 8MM version. And is quite valuable. They were in decent condition, near perfect, when they started coming in. I am sure you could adapt some sort of peep sight to it, but it would have to be something that mounts where the regular sight goes to not alter the gun. That is not optimum at all for a peep, but the one on the Japanese rifles is usable, despite the configuration. If you butcher it up any at all to modify the sight so that it is not reversable back to original, you just killed alot of investment value on one. Maybe get one of those peep sight things that snaps on your glasses and helps sharpen up open sights.

September 10, 2009, 03:40 PM	#1
skidooman603 Member Join Date: January 21, 2009 Posts: 68	Swedish Ljungman questions??? I am looking to purchase one of these rifles. A couple questions. Do they have a rear peep? How do they compare to the M1 Garand accuracy and weight wise? Always been a fan of the 6.5x55

September 10, 2009, 03:49 PM	#2
Claude Clay Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2007 Location: CT Posts: 325	weight is less than a garand--but unless you are going to carry it afield it matters little. accuracy of both is dependant on the bbl. the m-96 when set for 100 meters is going to shoot high cause they really are zeroed for 300 when set for 100. k-31's are the same: go figure for the 6,5 if you know how to read the disk you will know what condition the bbl was the last time it left the arsenal. a 6.4(marked on the )9 is best. on the '0' is acceptable. the wedge with a 1-2-3 in it should have no mark or the '1'. the 'torp' is how it is sighted at 300 metere--over or under. not truly relevant as you will be reloading for 100 [ or whatever] yards yourself. none i have seen have factory peeps. i have seen one with an aftermarket peep and it looked professional. the stock had been sporterized also so i am going to guess it was used for hunting. in Europe the 6.5 x 55 is used much as our 30-30 is here. __________________ NRA Instructor -- NRA Basic Pistol & Re-Loading Make a fire for a man and you warm him for the night Light him on fire and you warm him for the rest of his life

September 10, 2009, 07:10 PM	#6
Baba Louie Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2001 Posts: 1,552	Think of a Garand using direct impingement gas action, no op rod, etc and you have your Ljungman... more or less. __________________ A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." - George Washington, January 8, 1790, First State of the Union Address

September 11, 2009, 01:41 PM	#9
GONIF Senior Member Join Date: July 11, 2009 Location: PHOENIX IT'S A DRY HEAT AZ Posts: 844	the egyptian version of the Ag42 Ljungman is in fact the Hakim ,the Rashid is a strange version of the Hakim in 7.62x39 that looks like an SKS of sorts ..I have both the Hakim in 8mm and a Ljungman in6.5x55 and they both are great rifles . if you have a chance to get a nice example of ether you will enjoy it .prices on a good Ljungman are going to be high and you may have trouble finding spare parts shoul you need them in the future . I also have 2 M1 Garands 1 is a CMP rack grade and 1 is a Cmp that was a top grade (I forget what they called it ) that looks new . both are excellant shooters . given the choice of a Ljungman or a M1 Garand in top condition I would opt for a Garand . that said if I wanted a semi auto of that era it would be the M1A/M14 . __________________ WHO ME ? Last edited by GONIF; September 11, 2009 at 01:48 PM.

September 11, 2009, 03:09 PM	#13
GONIF Senior Member Join Date: July 11, 2009 Location: PHOENIX IT'S A DRY HEAT AZ Posts: 844	and I see I'm not the only one who brings a Hakim to the range to clear the bench next to me ,ya gotta love the MB on the Hakim . __________________ WHO ME ?

September 10, 2009, 05:32 PM	#3
hodaka Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 2006 Location: South Texas Posts: 2,010	You are mixing up your Swedes, Claude. The Ljungman is a semi-auto. I have never fired one but would love to have one. A friend had one and I think they are good quality, on par with a Garand but more rare. BTW- the sights on a K-31 are set for 100yds (or meters).

September 10, 2009, 06:34 PM	#4
skidooman603 Member Join Date: January 21, 2009 Posts: 68	Thanks for the feedback. I own many Garands, 1903s, 1903A3's, M1 Carbines, 1917's, Mausers, ect but this one intriques me.

September 10, 2009, 07:02 PM	#5
hodaka Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 2006 Location: South Texas Posts: 2,010	Me too! The Egyptian Hakim is a rough copy in 8mm. In the early 90's you could pick those up for a couple of hundred bucks IIRC. What sort of price are you looking at these days?

September 11, 2009, 03:22 AM	#7
skidooman603 Member Join Date: January 21, 2009 Posts: 68	Nice ones seem to be goin in the $600-$800 range

September 11, 2009, 06:48 AM	#8
2damnold4this Senior Member Join Date: August 12, 2009 Location: Athens, Georgia Posts: 2,526	I had a Rashid, an Egyptian version of the Ljungman in 7.62x39, but could never get it to run right.

September 11, 2009, 02:21 PM	#10
2damnold4this Senior Member Join Date: August 12, 2009 Location: Athens, Georgia Posts: 2,526	Yes, the Rashid has a charging handle unlike the Hakim but otherwise it has the same operating system. I never could get more than five or six shots in a row before it would dork up. Maybe that's why the Egyptians made so few Rashids.

September 11, 2009, 02:49 PM	#11
skidooman603 Member Join Date: January 21, 2009 Posts: 68	My problem is I have a tough time with the notch rear sight versus a peep. My mausers I cant shoot nearly as well as my American mil-surps with a peep

September 11, 2009, 07:33 PM	#14
Tom2 Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,676	I remember seeing a Swede for around 250$ plus or minus(probaby plus) years ago at the gun shows. I was tempted and should have bit. I am sure is softer shooting than the Egyptian 8MM version. And is quite valuable. They were in decent condition, near perfect, when they started coming in. I am sure you could adapt some sort of peep sight to it, but it would have to be something that mounts where the regular sight goes to not alter the gun. That is not optimum at all for a peep, but the one on the Japanese rifles is usable, despite the configuration. If you butcher it up any at all to modify the sight so that it is not reversable back to original, you just killed alot of investment value on one. Maybe get one of those peep sight things that snaps on your glasses and helps sharpen up open sights. __________________ Your gun is like your nose, it is just wrong for someone else to pick it for you!