What goes around comes around !

herb · March 25, 2010, 04:52 PM

Recall reading several articles that stated Cap & Ball shooters were slow to convert to the new fangled cartridge guns when they came on the scene 150 years ago. They were afraid they wouldn't be able to find ammo in those out of the way places. Guess what ? Now lot's of guys who bought conversion cylinders are digging out those C & B cylinders as you guessed it

....can't find 45 Colt and others in cowboy/low pressure loads in the BIG CITY even. Of course we all know cartridges are only a passing fad anyway.

horseman308 · March 25, 2010, 04:57 PM

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Of course we all know cartridges are only a passing fad anyway.

Well, duh!

ClemBert · March 25, 2010, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by herb

Now lot's of guys who bought conversion cylinders are digging out those C & B cylinders as you guessed it ....can't find 45 Colt and others in cowboy/low pressure loads in the BIG CITY even

That may be the case for many. However, the first thing I did before my conversion cylinder arrived in the mail was to order brass and bullets. I've never fired a factory cartridge in my conversion cylinder. Now, I have the best of both worlds..."smokeless" and "smokemore" loads.

Even if 45 Colt was available on the shelves I'm too cheap to cough up the $1 per round required for membership in that club.

**4V50 Gary** · March 25, 2010, 07:14 PM

It took the Germans many years to invent case-less ammunition for the G-11 rifle. Muzzle loaders have been using case-less for centuries.

bedbugbilly · March 25, 2010, 10:45 PM

uh . . . . sorry . . . . guess I'm a little behind the times. What are "cartridges"?

Smokin_Gun · March 25, 2010, 11:30 PM

Cartridges are those bows under the canvas you seen on Covered Wagons I believe. :O)

Hardcase · March 26, 2010, 01:16 PM

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Cartridges are those bows under the canvas you seen on Covered Wagons I believe. :O)

+1 for making me think on a Friday!

TXGunNut · March 28, 2010, 11:39 AM

Read the same thing about owners of flintlock rifles when percussion came around. They didn't want to depend on a supply of caps or worry about getting them damaged by the elements.

**4V50 Gary** · March 28, 2010, 12:16 PM

TxGunNut is right. All one had to do was to find a broken arrow head and with a little work, voila! A brand new gun flint.

Edward429451 · March 28, 2010, 12:20 PM

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Even if 45 Colt was available on the shelves I'm too cheap to cough up the $1 per round required for membership in that club.

But they'll let you buy the ammo at 6 or 8 bucks a box at the reloaders/casters club next door. It's around 200 or 250 to get into that club, but it's a one time fee...hahahaha (evil laugh)

robhof · March 28, 2010, 02:14 PM

I got my son a Blackhawk in 45 Colt a few years ago and he loved it til he had to pay a small fortune for the bullets. I already had a mold for casting 45acp and had him get a few hundred shells from Midway on sale and started loading, have since added a 255 wfn for hunting, but the little 195's with cowboy loads are a joy to fire and work in my ROA with the R&D cylinder. I loaded him some Ruger only loads with the 255's; he still has about 75 of the 100 that I sent him, says he's saving them for large game, and "send some more plinkers"...

arcticap · March 28, 2010, 02:48 PM

I've been shooting a Ruger Blackhawk .357 Mag./9mm Convertible with a 6.5" barrel and the 147 grain 9mm bullets impact at least 6" higher compared to the 115 grain bullets at 25 yards.

Hawg · March 28, 2010, 02:57 PM

I don't have anything with a conversion cylinder but I shoot bp out of my Uberti 73 Colt in 44-40 and my Rossi 92 Winchester in 44-40.

TXGunNut · March 28, 2010, 05:32 PM

Agreed on joining the reloading/bullet casters club. I'm really not saving any money, of course, just can't make myself pay the price of off-the-shelf ammo these days.

grymster2007 · March 29, 2010, 11:10 AM

I reload, but haven't cast any bullets yet. That's something I'll probably try once I retire and have a little more time.

robhof · March 29, 2010, 06:07 PM

I took up casting many years ago, when I had a large supply of free lead, but even with having to pay for it, it's still cheaper than buying it. Casting is like reloading; something to do after hunting season or on bad weather days. A few rainy days and I can put together a season's worth of ammo.

March 25, 2010, 04:52 PM	#1
herb Member Join Date: February 6, 2010 Posts: 56	What goes around comes around ! Recall reading several articles that stated Cap & Ball shooters were slow to convert to the new fangled cartridge guns when they came on the scene 150 years ago. They were afraid they wouldn't be able to find ammo in those out of the way places. Guess what ? Now lot's of guys who bought conversion cylinders are digging out those C & B cylinders as you guessed it ....can't find 45 Colt and others in cowboy/low pressure loads in the BIG CITY even. Of course we all know cartridges are only a passing fad anyway.

March 25, 2010, 07:14 PM	#4
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,832	It took the Germans many years to invent case-less ammunition for the G-11 rifle. Muzzle loaders have been using case-less for centuries. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

March 25, 2010, 11:30 PM	#6
Smokin_Gun Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2005 Location: Mojave Desert, CA Posts: 1,195	Cartridges are those bows under the canvas you seen on Covered Wagons I believe. :O) __________________ "I Smoke Black Powder" "Favor an 1858 Remington" SGT. Smokin' Gun, Mosby's Rangers 43rd Virginia Cavalry C.S.A. SASS# 19634, ... Admin:http://blackpowdersmoke.com/oldcoots/index.php

March 28, 2010, 11:39 AM	#8
TXGunNut Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Location: If you have to ask... Posts: 2,860	Read the same thing about owners of flintlock rifles when percussion came around. They didn't want to depend on a supply of caps or worry about getting them damaged by the elements. __________________ Life Member NRA, TSRA Smokeless powder is a passing fad! -Steve Garbe I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it. -Woodrow F. Call Lonesome Dove My favorite recipes start out with a handful of used wheelweights.

March 28, 2010, 12:16 PM	#9
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,832	TxGunNut is right. All one had to do was to find a broken arrow head and with a little work, voila! A brand new gun flint. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

March 25, 2010, 10:45 PM	#5
bedbugbilly Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2009 Posts: 3,287	uh . . . . sorry . . . . guess I'm a little behind the times. What are "cartridges"?

March 28, 2010, 02:14 PM	#11
robhof Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2007 Posts: 712	robhof I got my son a Blackhawk in 45 Colt a few years ago and he loved it til he had to pay a small fortune for the bullets. I already had a mold for casting 45acp and had him get a few hundred shells from Midway on sale and started loading, have since added a 255 wfn for hunting, but the little 195's with cowboy loads are a joy to fire and work in my ROA with the R&D cylinder. I loaded him some Ruger only loads with the 255's; he still has about 75 of the 100 that I sent him, says he's saving them for large game, and "send some more plinkers"...

March 28, 2010, 02:48 PM	#12
arcticap Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2005 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 3,166	I've been shooting a Ruger Blackhawk .357 Mag./9mm Convertible with a 6.5" barrel and the 147 grain 9mm bullets impact at least 6" higher compared to the 115 grain bullets at 25 yards. Last edited by arcticap; March 28, 2010 at 03:26 PM.

March 28, 2010, 02:57 PM	#13
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	I don't have anything with a conversion cylinder but I shoot bp out of my Uberti 73 Colt in 44-40 and my Rossi 92 Winchester in 44-40.

March 28, 2010, 05:32 PM	#14
TXGunNut Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Location: If you have to ask... Posts: 2,860	Agreed on joining the reloading/bullet casters club. I'm really not saving any money, of course, just can't make myself pay the price of off-the-shelf ammo these days. __________________ Life Member NRA, TSRA Smokeless powder is a passing fad! -Steve Garbe I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it. -Woodrow F. Call Lonesome Dove My favorite recipes start out with a handful of used wheelweights.

March 29, 2010, 11:10 AM	#15
grymster2007 Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: In the oak studded hills near Napa Posts: 2,203	I reload, but haven't cast any bullets yet. That's something I'll probably try once I retire and have a little more time. __________________ grym

March 29, 2010, 06:07 PM	#16
robhof Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2007 Posts: 712	robhof I took up casting many years ago, when I had a large supply of free lead, but even with having to pay for it, it's still cheaper than buying it. Casting is like reloading; something to do after hunting season or on bad weather days. A few rainy days and I can put together a season's worth of ammo.