“Gun Safety” Groups Don’t Teach Gun Safety

Bartholomew Roberts · December 10, 2019, 08:40 PM

https://bearingarms.com/came/2019/12...afety-classes/

A funny story about a judge trying to order a defendant to take a gun safety class and learning, to her discomfort, that the only organization offering gun safety classes was the NRA.

Also a great reminder that these “gun safety” groups view “gun safety” as getting rid of all guns and have zero interest in practical safety programs as a result.

**Aguila Blanca** · December 10, 2019, 11:36 PM

Where's my shocked face? I know I had it here ... somewhere.

**44 AMP** · December 11, 2019, 01:22 AM

You've missed the "fine print" (Not to be read aloud!)

They are NOT groups with the purpose of making us safe WITH guns their purpose is to make us safe FROM guns!

The NRA formed in 1871 and the primary mission was to teach marksmanship and safety.

My father taught the NRA Hunter Safety course for decades. From the time I was big enough to carry a box of papers or a gun from the house to the car and back, I was involved to some degree.

Govt did not do this, private people did this. A private club (the NRA) not only was about the only people doing it, their course was accepted by the STATE as sufficient. If you had never had a state hunting license there were only two accepted things and you had to have one in order to get a hunting license. One was a hunting license from another state. The other was the NRA certificate that you passed their Hunter Safety Course.

The course was free. The NRA supplied all the paperwork. Neither my Dad or any of the other guys who did it ever got paid a dime, and they didn't expect to be.

but that was back in the 60s and 70s and we were a different country, then.

jimbob86 · December 11, 2019, 01:32 AM

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The course was free. The NRA supplied all the paperwork. Neither my Dad or any of the other guys who did it ever got paid a dime, and they didn't expect to be.

but that was back in the 60s and 70s and we were a different country, then.

44, it's still that way around here - It's not an NRA only show, though .....they support it, along with Pheasants Forever, NWTF, NSSF, and others ..... Nebraska Game and Parks administers it, but it's all done by unpaid volunteers.

USNRet93 · December 11, 2019, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 44 AMP

but that was back in the 60s and 70s and we were a different country, then.

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And the NRA was 'different' then too...

Pahoo · December 11, 2019, 03:02 PM

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A funny story about a judge trying to order a defendant to take a gun safety class and learning, to her discomfort, that the only organization offering gun safety classes was the NRA.

Not really a new practice as I have taught on at least two different occasions, young folks that were mandated by the courts to attend a Hunter Safety Class. I mostly teach safe gun handling and most shooting stations. The student's names were kept confidential and only known to our local DNR officer. I thought that it was a great idea and as noted, the NRA started our hunter ed. programs as well as most others. Our early literature even carried the NRA logos. …….

Be Safe !!!

**Tom Servo** · December 11, 2019, 07:16 PM

After the Newtown shooting, gun-control advocates did some focus group testing, and they decided to co-opt the phrase "gun safety" to refer to their efforts. Among the people leading the campaign to popularize the phrase was Amy Schumer, who totally isn't famous because her cousin is the famous Senator and gun-control advocate.

straightShot · December 13, 2019, 07:40 AM

Years ago, I offered to buy Eddie Eagle gun safety materials for kids in grades 1-3 at a local school. I showed an example packet of the class materials that told kids not touch a gun that they encountered and to walk away and tell an adult. It was a simple message that might resonate with some of the kids. The principal said that she thought that it was a great idea to get this message across. Once she found out that the NRA produced the materials, however, she squashed the whole thing.

pete2 · December 13, 2019, 08:30 AM

Anti-gun groups do not offer gun safety classes. They are not about gun safety, they are about banning guns.

DaleA · December 13, 2019, 10:30 AM

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When People Cried "Someone Do Something!" We Did.

Back in 2012 the NRA introduced the School Shield program.

IMhO schools that refuse to look at this program because it's from the NRA show an IRRATIONAL fear/hatred of the NRA that is just plain IRRATIONAL.

A link to the program is here:
https://www.nraschoolshield.org/

Pahoo · December 13, 2019, 11:12 AM

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Once she found out that the NRA produced the materials, however, she squashed the whole thing.

That is what we encountered when we presented this idea to our school. They would not even look at the material. If they had, they would have found out how benign it is. They did not care about the substance, only it's origin. My Daughter is a teacher and they get a lot of negative pressure from the parents. No one loves the NRA and too many hate it, for their reasons. …..

However, as I've stated before, I have teach Hunter Ed. as well as other conservation kids' programs and that's where I do my best to make then aware of their safety and rights. I take a few liberties.

Be Safe !!!

**Aguila Blanca** · December 13, 2019, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DaleA

Back in 2012 the NRA introduced the School Shield program.

IMhO schools that refuse to look at this program because it's from the NRA show an IRRATIONAL fear/hatred of the NRA that is just plain IRRATIONAL.

A link to the program is here:
https://www.nraschoolshield.org/
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And, like so many NRA initiatives, the School Shield program is rather messed up.

As an instructor holding a half dozen NRA certifications and as a licensed architect who has worked in multiple firms that design schools, I thought I would be an asset to the School Shield program. So I reached out to the NRA to inquire about becoming certified for School Shield. First, it wasn't easy to find out who to contact. It wasn't impossible, but they didn't make it easy.

When I did finally establish communication, it was short-lived. Bottom line -- they only want cops. IMHO this is dumb as a box of rocks. An effective school preparation plan (which is really what this is) involves a lot more than a cop creating a tactical response plan. The plan can't disable building and fiire code requirements. That means the survey team has to understand building and fire codes (as architects, we deal with those every day). You have to understand how alarm systems work. You have to understand doors and locks. (How many of you are aware that the locks on school classroom doors don't work the same as the lock on the front door on your house? Locks are classified by function, and a "classroom" function lock may be built much the same as a "residential entrance" lock, but the way it locks and unlocks is different.) We deal with those issues every day, too.

So, not only could there be a place on every School Shield survey team for an architect, it should (IMHO) be mandatory. But the NRA didn't want to talk to me. I was left with the impression that School Shield was like the Carry Guard program (which I was also unable to get certified for) -- something that was dreamed up by a few members of the inner circle, and reserved for them and their cronies.

bill460 · December 14, 2019, 05:51 AM

For the anti gun community, "Gun Safety" has never been about "safety". It's always revolved around gun confiscation. The NRA has been saying that for decades. And everyone said they were just over reacting. Then Beto came along and proved them right..... "Hell YES we're going to take your AR-15 and AK-47!!"

**Spats McGee** · December 14, 2019, 06:33 AM

The antigun crowd considers "safety from guns" to be a form of "gun safety."

langenc · December 25, 2019, 09:08 PM

""Years ago, I offered to buy Eddie Eagle gun safety materials for kids in grades 1-3 at a local school. I showed an example packet of the class materials that told kids not touch a gun that they encountered and to walk away and tell an adult. It was a simple message that might resonate with some of the kids. The principal said that she thought that it was a great idea to get this message across. Once she found out that the NRA produced the materials, however, she squashed the whole thing. "" copied from above

Should have pressured the principal to get the NEA to produce some similar pamphlets.

Try getting those programs to kids thru Scouts and other kids groups. Wont get em all but some/many.

December 10, 2019, 08:40 PM	#1
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 12, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	“Gun Safety” Groups Don’t Teach Gun Safety https://bearingarms.com/came/2019/12...afety-classes/ A funny story about a judge trying to order a defendant to take a gun safety class and learning, to her discomfort, that the only organization offering gun safety classes was the NRA. Also a great reminder that these “gun safety” groups view “gun safety” as getting rid of all guns and have zero interest in practical safety programs as a result.

December 10, 2019, 11:36 PM	#2
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,457	Where's my shocked face? I know I had it here ... somewhere. __________________ NRA Life Member / Certified Instructor NRA Chief RSO / CMP RSO 1911 Certified Armorer Jeepaholic

December 11, 2019, 01:22 AM	#3
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,791	You've missed the "fine print" (Not to be read aloud!) They are NOT groups with the purpose of making us safe WITH guns their purpose is to make us safe FROM guns! The NRA formed in 1871 and the primary mission was to teach marksmanship and safety. My father taught the NRA Hunter Safety course for decades. From the time I was big enough to carry a box of papers or a gun from the house to the car and back, I was involved to some degree. Govt did not do this, private people did this. A private club (the NRA) not only was about the only people doing it, their course was accepted by the STATE as sufficient. If you had never had a state hunting license there were only two accepted things and you had to have one in order to get a hunting license. One was a hunting license from another state. The other was the NRA certificate that you passed their Hunter Safety Course. The course was free. The NRA supplied all the paperwork. Neither my Dad or any of the other guys who did it ever got paid a dime, and they didn't expect to be. but that was back in the 60s and 70s and we were a different country, then. __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

December 11, 2019, 07:16 PM	#7
Tom Servo Staff Join Date: September 27, 2008 Location: Foothills of the Appalachians Posts: 13,059	After the Newtown shooting, gun-control advocates did some focus group testing, and they decided to co-opt the phrase "gun safety" to refer to their efforts. Among the people leading the campaign to popularize the phrase was Amy Schumer, who totally isn't famous because her cousin is the famous Senator and gun-control advocate. __________________ Sometimes it’s nice not to destroy the world for a change. --Randall Munroe

December 13, 2019, 07:40 AM	#8
straightShot Senior Member Join Date: July 2, 2000 Location: MI, USA Posts: 668	Years ago, I offered to buy Eddie Eagle gun safety materials for kids in grades 1-3 at a local school. I showed an example packet of the class materials that told kids not touch a gun that they encountered and to walk away and tell an adult. It was a simple message that might resonate with some of the kids. The principal said that she thought that it was a great idea to get this message across. Once she found out that the NRA produced the materials, however, she squashed the whole thing. __________________ Take a kid shooting.

December 13, 2019, 08:30 AM	#9
pete2 Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 2,566	Anti-gun groups do not offer gun safety classes. They are not about gun safety, they are about banning guns.

December 14, 2019, 05:51 AM	#13
bill460 Member Join Date: December 13, 2019 Location: Lake Havasu City, Arizona Posts: 93	For the anti gun community, "Gun Safety" has never been about "safety". It's always revolved around gun confiscation. The NRA has been saying that for decades. And everyone said they were just over reacting. Then Beto came along and proved them right..... "Hell YES we're going to take your AR-15 and AK-47!!"

December 14, 2019, 06:33 AM	#14
Spats McGee Staff Join Date: July 28, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 8,821	The antigun crowd considers "safety from guns" to be a form of "gun safety." __________________ I'm a lawyer, but I'm not your lawyer. If you need some honest-to-goodness legal advice, go buy some.

December 25, 2019, 09:08 PM	#15
langenc Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2007 Location: Montmorency Co, MI Posts: 1,551	""Years ago, I offered to buy Eddie Eagle gun safety materials for kids in grades 1-3 at a local school. I showed an example packet of the class materials that told kids not touch a gun that they encountered and to walk away and tell an adult. It was a simple message that might resonate with some of the kids. The principal said that she thought that it was a great idea to get this message across. Once she found out that the NRA produced the materials, however, she squashed the whole thing. "" copied from above Should have pressured the principal to get the NEA to produce some similar pamphlets. Try getting those programs to kids thru Scouts and other kids groups. Wont get em all but some/many.

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