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Old September 20, 2017, 09:41 PM   #26
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A 1911 pistol should close on a chambered round. IIRC, one of the requirements for the pistol being tested in 1910-1911 was that it operate as a single shot in case magazine(s) were lost or damaged.

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Old September 21, 2017, 09:20 AM   #27
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Why do you think extractors have springs? They move-this is so they can slide over the rims of chambered rounds.
If this were not necessary, extractors would be fixed.
That's nonsense.

The pistol extractor is spring loaded, mainly, so it can release an ejecting round. Upon stripping a round from the magazine, the case slides under the extractor, which preloads slightly in the extractor groove.

Can the extractor snap over an already chambered round? Sure and should do so to extract a stuck case.

Can the extractor be damaged while snapping over an already chambered round? Absolutely and I've seen it happen on a thoroughly modern high quality firearm (HK).

Is there any reason to "slip a round in the pipe" and drop the slide? No.
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Old September 21, 2017, 12:30 PM   #28
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See the post above yours.
A fixed extractor would work very well. Why hasn't it been done?
Maybe the thoroughly modern HK wasn't so thoroughly modern?
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Old September 21, 2017, 04:41 PM   #29
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Sometimes we find ourselves making dumb arguments... seemingly for the select purpose of arguing.

Semiautomatic firearms are OBVIOUSLY designed to strip rounds from the top of a magazine. Beyond that (FACT) the rest is just pointless arguments.

Understand that while you most definitely can, successfully use the butt of a handgun to pound a nail flush, and depending on the size/head of the nail, the receiving surface and the particular handgun -- it may actually be possible to do this with ZERO ill effects...

...it will still be a dumb argument and shouldn't be encouraged.

Likewise, if the enemy is bearing down on you and you have one round and no magazine, slam away and it will likely work, if you are shipwrecked and your handgun is the ONLY thing that will plug the hole in your sinking raft, go for it but seriously, give up the dumb argument that it's a good idea.
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See the post above yours.
A fixed extractor would work very well. Why hasn't it been done?
Maybe the thoroughly modern HK wasn't so thoroughly modern?
Really? You're citing someone's recollection as some sort of proof that loading a round into the chamber and then dropping the slide is a good idea?

HK thoroughly modern? heck yeah, but let's not stop there.

SW MP2.0 manual, page17
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WARNING: ALWAYS LOAD A ROUND INTO THE CHAMBER
BY FEEDING IT FROM THE MAGAZINE. FAILURE TO
FOLLOW THIS WARNING CAN RESULT IN SEVERE
INJURY OR DEATH TO YOU OR OTHERS. NEVER ATTEMPT TO
LOAD THE PISTOL BY INSERTING A ROUND INTO THE OPEN
EJECTION PORT.
In checking about a dozen manuals, I've found not one that mentioned slipping a round into the chamber as an acceptable method for loading.
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Those same manuals say to never use reloaded ammunition, right?

Extractors are spring loaded specifically to slip over the rim of a chambered round. Any properly designed gun will not be harmed by this. The worst thing it will do is eat up your brass.
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