Standard Manufacturing Volley Fire

Cheapshooter · August 18, 2017, 11:58 PM

Another thread on this forum jogged my memory a bit. Without hijacking that thread about a multi barrel pistol invention I will ask here. What ever happened with the Volley Fire six barrel, double shot per trigger pull, 25acp pistol.

tipoc · August 19, 2017, 02:01 AM

Never heard of it. Try Google. If that don't work the Blue Book of Gun Values carries about all a fella could want to know on many obscure, and not obscure, brands and variations.

tipoc

Cheapshooter · August 19, 2017, 10:29 AM

Heard of it. Saw a video about it from the 2017 SHOT Show. I think there was a thread about it here on TFL. Just wondering if it was ever released for sale, or if they ran into a BATF roadblock. Or possibly some other problem.
You haven't heard of it, so here is one of the videos about it from the SHOT show.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...A&&FORM=VDRVRV

tipoc · August 19, 2017, 11:06 AM

The S333...

http://www.stdgun.com/s333-1/

tipoc

Cheapshooter · August 19, 2017, 11:46 AM

Yes, but nothing since the announcement about it actually being released.

armoredman · August 20, 2017, 01:30 AM

The Brownie, evolved.

Cheapshooter · August 20, 2017, 12:29 PM

^^^^
Is there something hidden in there somewhere about the Standard Manufacturing S333, or are you just advertizing a CZ forum?

tipoc · August 20, 2017, 01:48 PM

The link to CZ forums is his signature line.

tipoc

Cheapshooter · August 20, 2017, 04:22 PM

didn't notice the line above it.

armoredman · August 23, 2017, 12:01 AM

Sorry for the confusion.

briandg · August 23, 2017, 08:51 AM

how do we get past the restrictions on a firearm that fires two rounds for a single pull of the trigger?

Cheapshooter · August 23, 2017, 11:32 AM

Supposedly a loophole in NFA wording in the definition of a machine gun. The Volley Fire fires two separate barrels at a time. It does not continue to fire consecutive rounds with a single pull of the trigger.
That has presumably been addressed, and approved by BATF.

James K · August 23, 2017, 01:24 PM

Yet another one of those "hey, we could make..." ideas that sometimes do get made if the "inventor" can find the cash to have a custom machine shop actually make one. Usually, the "inventor" is long on ideas and determination but short on both engineering and marketing knowledge.

Jim

briandg · August 23, 2017, 01:25 PM

You'd think that it was pretty clear, multiple round per pull of the trigger, iirc. Dont know if the loopholex it or they will surprise the market with the fee when they release it.

Cheapshooter · August 23, 2017, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Yet another one of those "hey, we could make..." ideas that sometimes do get made if the "inventor" can find the cash to have a custom machine shop actually make one. Usually, the "inventor" is long on ideas and determination but short on both engineering and marketing knowledge.

But the inventor in this case already has the equipment, presumably the capitol, and has made at least enough to display them at SHOT 2017. Along with their other product, the double barrel pump shotgun.
http://www.stdgun.com/dp-12-double-barrel-pump-shotgun/

briandg · August 24, 2017, 11:12 AM

I have known many, many crazy people who have money. They are not always successful. Even Warren Buffett has had his off days.

But in any case, even if he never brings them to market, running off a few prototypes (maybe even on a metal sintering 3d printer) would probably draw enough attention to pay for itself.

Model12Win · August 26, 2017, 11:13 PM

It would be cool if it had a fire selector for 1, 2, 3, and all 6 shots at once. As is, still interesting.

Andy Blozinski · August 27, 2017, 12:14 PM

I don't see that double barrel pump as being practical in a tense situation without lots of training. A typical pump shotgun has a simple alternating XY, XY, etc action sequence. This one is XXY, XXY. That's going to be too confusing in a panic situation unless you've extensively trained it out.

briandg · August 27, 2017, 01:50 PM

Agreed. Another idea that sounds all "GEE WHIZ!" On the outside but quickly melts down to "GOOD GOD, WHAT A STUPID IDEA!" As the reality rolls in.

Most people can roll some rounds into a pump pretty quickly, but as you say, everything about this is going to be WRONG! All training will be ruined. It won't even handle right.

August 18, 2017, 11:58 PM	#1
Cheapshooter Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,306	Standard Manufacturing Volley Fire Another thread on this forum jogged my memory a bit. Without hijacking that thread about a multi barrel pistol invention I will ask here. What ever happened with the Volley Fire six barrel, double shot per trigger pull, 25acp pistol. __________________ Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!

August 19, 2017, 10:29 AM	#3
Cheapshooter Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,306	Heard of it. Saw a video about it from the 2017 SHOT Show. I think there was a thread about it here on TFL. Just wondering if it was ever released for sale, or if they ran into a BATF roadblock. Or possibly some other problem. You haven't heard of it, so here is one of the videos about it from the SHOT show. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...A&&FORM=VDRVRV __________________ Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!

August 19, 2017, 11:46 AM	#5
Cheapshooter Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,306	Yes, but nothing since the announcement about it actually being released. __________________ Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!

August 20, 2017, 12:29 PM	#7
Cheapshooter Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,306	^^^^ Is there something hidden in there somewhere about the Standard Manufacturing S333, or are you just advertizing a CZ forum? __________________ Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!

August 20, 2017, 04:22 PM	#9
Cheapshooter Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,306	didn't notice the line above it. __________________ Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!

August 19, 2017, 02:01 AM	#2
tipoc Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2004 Location: Redwood City, Ca. Posts: 4,114	Never heard of it. Try Google. If that don't work the Blue Book of Gun Values carries about all a fella could want to know on many obscure, and not obscure, brands and variations. tipoc

August 19, 2017, 11:06 AM	#4
tipoc Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2004 Location: Redwood City, Ca. Posts: 4,114	The S333... http://www.stdgun.com/s333-1/ tipoc

August 20, 2017, 01:30 AM	#6
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,297	The Brownie, evolved.

August 20, 2017, 01:48 PM	#8
tipoc Senior Member Join Date: December 11, 2004 Location: Redwood City, Ca. Posts: 4,114	The link to CZ forums is his signature line. tipoc

August 23, 2017, 12:01 AM	#10
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,297	Sorry for the confusion.

August 23, 2017, 08:51 AM	#11
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	how do we get past the restrictions on a firearm that fires two rounds for a single pull of the trigger? __________________ None.

August 23, 2017, 11:32 AM	#12
Cheapshooter Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,306	Supposedly a loophole in NFA wording in the definition of a machine gun. The Volley Fire fires two separate barrels at a time. It does not continue to fire consecutive rounds with a single pull of the trigger. That has presumably been addressed, and approved by BATF. __________________ Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!

August 23, 2017, 01:24 PM	#13
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Yet another one of those "hey, we could make..." ideas that sometimes do get made if the "inventor" can find the cash to have a custom machine shop actually make one. Usually, the "inventor" is long on ideas and determination but short on both engineering and marketing knowledge. Jim

August 23, 2017, 01:25 PM	#14
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	You'd think that it was pretty clear, multiple round per pull of the trigger, iirc. Dont know if the loopholex it or they will surprise the market with the fee when they release it. __________________ None.

August 24, 2017, 11:12 AM	#16
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	I have known many, many crazy people who have money. They are not always successful. Even Warren Buffett has had his off days. But in any case, even if he never brings them to market, running off a few prototypes (maybe even on a metal sintering 3d printer) would probably draw enough attention to pay for itself. __________________ None.

August 26, 2017, 11:13 PM	#17
Model12Win Junior member Join Date: October 20, 2012 Posts: 5,854	It would be cool if it had a fire selector for 1, 2, 3, and all 6 shots at once. As is, still interesting.

August 27, 2017, 12:14 PM	#18
Andy Blozinski Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 2013 Posts: 525	I don't see that double barrel pump as being practical in a tense situation without lots of training. A typical pump shotgun has a simple alternating XY, XY, etc action sequence. This one is XXY, XXY. That's going to be too confusing in a panic situation unless you've extensively trained it out.

August 27, 2017, 01:50 PM	#19
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	Agreed. Another idea that sounds all "GEE WHIZ!" On the outside but quickly melts down to "GOOD GOD, WHAT A STUPID IDEA!" As the reality rolls in. Most people can roll some rounds into a pump pretty quickly, but as you say, everything about this is going to be WRONG! All training will be ruined. It won't even handle right. __________________ None.

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