Safes that can take an Axe Hit: Amsec, Sturdy, Summitt, Forts?

soapboxpreacher · June 15, 2012, 12:21 AM

We pretty much know a 12 gauge will not hold up. And a 10 gauge isnt much better. Sturdy and CE Safes new Fort Knox with 7 gauge can take the hit. But will something like a Amsec BF? I am only talking body here not the door for all the doors are typically thick enough to hold off anything. But the Amsec body is a different ball game. It is only a 10...11 gauge body but it is filled...and not just filled but poured inbetween two layers one 10-11 gauge and the other 14 or so. The filling is similar but not quite concrete. it is far and away different to drywall. But would it hold up to an axe attack?

Another question...Sawzal or even an angle grinder...how well does the Amsec hold up? The DryLight is different so I dont really know. Obvious the 7 gauge Sturdy and Fort will do alright for a while...no safe is gonna stop every attack. So I am just curious for I have narrowed down my search to these few safes.

If you sandwich a concrete like substance between two pieces of steel (in which it is formed to it) I would assume it would hold up quite well add to the fact that it cannot be displaced easiy (this is very key) because if the material cracks inside or breaks...it has nowhere to go...still providing a ton of strength. Like taking a cinder block and wrapping all side tightly with steel...no air gaps...then hit it with a sledge...it will do much better than if it wasnt wrapped...same can be said for the steel by itself it wont hold up by itself very well at all.

Is anyone else curious? There is so much good and so many that recommend the Amsec but since it is not a straight forward design it is hard to determine for the laws of physics are a little more complicated. And for those that say Dry Light is just for Fire it isnt. Amsec clearly states it is for fire and protection...burglary! So there is more to their process then what we think.

rebs · June 15, 2012, 11:00 AM

given enough time a burglar can break into any safe

solidheart · June 15, 2012, 08:51 PM

You have the right idea about the dry light and the steel in an Amsec BF supprting each other but I can't give you a yes or no answer to any of your questions. I'm going to try to get some pictures of vandalized BF's.

soapboxpreacher · June 16, 2012, 08:57 PM

So no info of the amsec drylight? It isn't concrete, not as dense, nor as hard or strong. But still impressive. So my delema is how well will a 11gauge wall with drylight hold up to an attack with an axe or sledge compared to a 7 gauge? This is my hold up on the amsec. I am so unfamilar with drylight and how well it works against an attack i am holding back. Is it a marketing gimmick? The reason why is now i have found a contender to the bf...and the bf is my front runner. This new fort knox m2 from cesafes is quite impressive and curt has really made it attractive. It has a light, outlet, 7 gauge body like a sturdy and 5/8 frame, 3/8 plate door, recessed door, s&g lock, 1 1/2" bolts (3 sides active 1 side passive/fixed. It has the fort knox warranty on everything including the lock. It is also much nicer looking then the sturdy. So he I am?...on the fence. If the amsec can hold up the same and repel the same attack...for 11 gauge vs an axe is no match! With drylight this is very unknown?

a1abdj · June 16, 2012, 09:52 PM

Asphalt is pretty soft, especially when compared to concrete.

Lay a piece of 11 gauge steel on top of some black top, and hit it with an axe. See how far you get.

Many people overlook the physics involved in a safe attack, as well as the common entry methods. I've been in this business since the mid 90's, and have never seen a safe axed open.

Even a safe using gypsum board would be substantially more secure against this type of attack, if it was using an inner steel liner.

June 15, 2012, 12:21 AM	#1
soapboxpreacher Member Join Date: March 22, 2012 Posts: 24	Safes that can take an Axe Hit: Amsec, Sturdy, Summitt, Forts? We pretty much know a 12 gauge will not hold up. And a 10 gauge isnt much better. Sturdy and CE Safes new Fort Knox with 7 gauge can take the hit. But will something like a Amsec BF? I am only talking body here not the door for all the doors are typically thick enough to hold off anything. But the Amsec body is a different ball game. It is only a 10...11 gauge body but it is filled...and not just filled but poured inbetween two layers one 10-11 gauge and the other 14 or so. The filling is similar but not quite concrete. it is far and away different to drywall. But would it hold up to an axe attack? Another question...Sawzal or even an angle grinder...how well does the Amsec hold up? The DryLight is different so I dont really know. Obvious the 7 gauge Sturdy and Fort will do alright for a while...no safe is gonna stop every attack. So I am just curious for I have narrowed down my search to these few safes. If you sandwich a concrete like substance between two pieces of steel (in which it is formed to it) I would assume it would hold up quite well add to the fact that it cannot be displaced easiy (this is very key) because if the material cracks inside or breaks...it has nowhere to go...still providing a ton of strength. Like taking a cinder block and wrapping all side tightly with steel...no air gaps...then hit it with a sledge...it will do much better than if it wasnt wrapped...same can be said for the steel by itself it wont hold up by itself very well at all. Is anyone else curious? There is so much good and so many that recommend the Amsec but since it is not a straight forward design it is hard to determine for the laws of physics are a little more complicated. And for those that say Dry Light is just for Fire it isnt. Amsec clearly states it is for fire and protection...burglary! So there is more to their process then what we think.

June 15, 2012, 08:51 PM	#3
solidheart Junior Member Join Date: June 6, 2012 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 6	You have the right idea about the dry light and the steel in an Amsec BF supprting each other but I can't give you a yes or no answer to any of your questions. I'm going to try to get some pictures of vandalized BF's. __________________ Gun Safe Sales and Security Consulting http://www.thesafeplace.com

June 16, 2012, 09:52 PM	#5
a1abdj Senior Member Join Date: November 28, 2005 Location: St. Charles, MO Posts: 496	Asphalt is pretty soft, especially when compared to concrete. Lay a piece of 11 gauge steel on top of some black top, and hit it with an axe. See how far you get. Many people overlook the physics involved in a safe attack, as well as the common entry methods. I've been in this business since the mid 90's, and have never seen a safe axed open. Even a safe using gypsum board would be substantially more secure against this type of attack, if it was using an inner steel liner. __________________ www.zykansafe.com

June 15, 2012, 11:00 AM	#2
rebs Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2012 Posts: 3,881	given enough time a burglar can break into any safe

June 16, 2012, 08:57 PM	#4
soapboxpreacher Member Join Date: March 22, 2012 Posts: 24	So no info of the amsec drylight? It isn't concrete, not as dense, nor as hard or strong. But still impressive. So my delema is how well will a 11gauge wall with drylight hold up to an attack with an axe or sledge compared to a 7 gauge? This is my hold up on the amsec. I am so unfamilar with drylight and how well it works against an attack i am holding back. Is it a marketing gimmick? The reason why is now i have found a contender to the bf...and the bf is my front runner. This new fort knox m2 from cesafes is quite impressive and curt has really made it attractive. It has a light, outlet, 7 gauge body like a sturdy and 5/8 frame, 3/8 plate door, recessed door, s&g lock, 1 1/2" bolts (3 sides active 1 side passive/fixed. It has the fort knox warranty on everything including the lock. It is also much nicer looking then the sturdy. So he I am?...on the fence. If the amsec can hold up the same and repel the same attack...for 11 gauge vs an axe is no match! With drylight this is very unknown?