Remington Rider revolver.

Samuel90 · October 27, 2011, 01:24 PM

Hello everyone. I came to this forum, because i need help with Remington Rider revolver trigger mechanism. I was looking in web for pictures of internal parts of this revolver, but i can't find any. I have frame, with mounted barrel, cylinder, cylinder pin (cylinder axe?), trigger guard, grips, and mainspring, but i need to reproduce all internal parts (trigger/cocking mechanism parts). I found patent drawings, but its looks very complicated, and actual gun are different from gun described in patent. I have to ask you for a help. If anybody have some pictures, or drawings of internal parts, sharing it will be very helpful for me. Sorry for my English, and i hope anyone will help me.

arcticap · October 28, 2011, 12:26 PM

Here's the schematic of the Pedersoli reproduction of the Remington Rider derringer. Perhaps it's a close enough copy of the original to be useful.

http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/uplo.../S342-S351.pdf

Accessed from this page:

http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/sche...der-white.html

Samuel90 · October 28, 2011, 01:52 PM

This Pedersoli Rider derringer is pistol, and i'm talking about revolver. Here You can see patent drawings:

http://www.remingtonsociety.com/gall...serialNumber=2

And here pictures of Remington Rider revolver converted to .32 rimfire (originally it was a percussion revolver):

http://www.american-firearms.com/ame...3inch-left.jpg

http://www.american-firearms.com/ame...inch-right.jpg

As far, as i know there was manufactured about 115.000 Remington Rider's revolvers. And there are no company who makes reproduction of this revolver. On patent drawings you can see internal mechanism, but it looks very complicated, and unclear for me. It's even more difficult to figure how this mechanism works, because before they start serial production of this revolver there was introduced some changes in mechanism, like removing loading lever, and trigger guard was no longer spring for cylinder stop.

I also found a text part of patent on remington society page, but my english is too bad to fully understand how it works.

http://www.remingtonsociety.com/gall...g2_itemId=1472

If anybody have any ideas, how it can work, please make a drawing, and post it here. Sorry again for my english, and i hope you know, what i mean.

Hardcase · October 28, 2011, 04:30 PM

Have you tried posting on the Remington Society's forum? It's not terribly active, but maybe somebody can help.

I sympathize with your frustration over the awkward English in the patent application. It's my native language and it's hard for me to follow, too.

By the way, your English is excellent.

arcticap · October 29, 2011, 12:54 AM

Thank you for correcting me Samuel90.
While trying to learn more about the Remington Rider revolver, I was surprised to find that Remington made a rare double action percussion model from 1863-1865 also named the Remington Rider that looks like a clone of the 1858.

http://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetai...52&lid=9103003

I also found this for sale listing of a very nice looking Rider rimfire model:

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/ad...hp?itemID=1416

It seems like one of the only ways to learn about how that model works is to find a working model or a computer simulation.

Are you trying to build the parts to make it work?

With so many of them having been made, somebody somewhere must have some experience with them.
Maybe you can get lucky and find a parts gun from an antique auction or parts house, or from a specialty parts supplier.

http://www.jackfirstgun.com/about.php

http://www.jackfirstgun.com/index.php

http://www.antiqueguns.com/

Good luck with your search.

Samuel90 · October 29, 2011, 02:34 PM

Hello again. I was trying to register on Remington society forum, but my email adress is always "not allowed to be used"(i tried few different adresses including gmail). I think, they just don't want me on its forum ;P. I was sending emails to many auction houses, but they always "don't have time to make extra photos", or just don't reply to my request. I have one picture, where i can see how trigger looks like, and i also know how looks hand(this thing rotating cylinder). So now i can reproduce trigger, and hand, but hardest to understand is this "cocking dog", and all this strange parts described in patent. I don't know any antique firearms collector, who have this gun. Maybe somebody on this forum have one of this revolver's, or know somebody who has? I think there are no picture in web of any internal part of this revolver (belive me, i was looking for this long, long time).

Below are pictures, of trigger, and hand.

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

noelf2 · October 29, 2011, 10:03 PM

I never knew these little revolvers existed. Would love to see an Italian replica produced.

oderr · January 14, 2013, 04:43 PM

Did you ever get any good drawings or photographs of the Remington Rider trigger? If not, I can take some pictures for you.

buckiav8r · June 22, 2014, 09:34 AM

I need help too. Would like to get photo of the lockwork with the sideplate removed. The one I have has had a repair attempt made on the trigger pivot pin and I believe the geometry is all wrong. Would like to see a photo of how it is supposed to be. Mike

October 27, 2011, 01:24 PM	#1
Samuel90 Junior Member Join Date: October 27, 2011 Posts: 3	Remington Rider revolver. Hello everyone. I came to this forum, because i need help with Remington Rider revolver trigger mechanism. I was looking in web for pictures of internal parts of this revolver, but i can't find any. I have frame, with mounted barrel, cylinder, cylinder pin (cylinder axe?), trigger guard, grips, and mainspring, but i need to reproduce all internal parts (trigger/cocking mechanism parts). I found patent drawings, but its looks very complicated, and actual gun are different from gun described in patent. I have to ask you for a help. If anybody have some pictures, or drawings of internal parts, sharing it will be very helpful for me. Sorry for my English, and i hope anyone will help me.

October 28, 2011, 04:30 PM	#4
Hardcase Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2009 Location: Sunny Southern Idaho Posts: 1,909	Have you tried posting on the Remington Society's forum? It's not terribly active, but maybe somebody can help. I sympathize with your frustration over the awkward English in the patent application. It's my native language and it's hard for me to follow, too. By the way, your English is excellent. __________________ Well we don't rent pigs and I figure it's better to say it right out front because a man that does like to rent pigs is... he's hard to stop - Gus McCrae

October 29, 2011, 12:54 AM	#5
arcticap Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2005 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 3,166	Thank you for correcting me Samuel90. While trying to learn more about the Remington Rider revolver, I was surprised to find that Remington made a rare double action percussion model from 1863-1865 also named the Remington Rider that looks like a clone of the 1858. http://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetai...52&lid=9103003 I also found this for sale listing of a very nice looking Rider rimfire model: http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/ad...hp?itemID=1416 It seems like one of the only ways to learn about how that model works is to find a working model or a computer simulation. Are you trying to build the parts to make it work? With so many of them having been made, somebody somewhere must have some experience with them. Maybe you can get lucky and find a parts gun from an antique auction or parts house, or from a specialty parts supplier. http://www.jackfirstgun.com/about.php http://www.jackfirstgun.com/index.php http://www.antiqueguns.com/ Good luck with your search. Last edited by arcticap; October 29, 2011 at 01:01 AM.

October 29, 2011, 02:34 PM	#6
Samuel90 Junior Member Join Date: October 27, 2011 Posts: 3	Hello again. I was trying to register on Remington society forum, but my email adress is always "not allowed to be used"(i tried few different adresses including gmail). I think, they just don't want me on its forum ;P. I was sending emails to many auction houses, but they always "don't have time to make extra photos", or just don't reply to my request. I have one picture, where i can see how trigger looks like, and i also know how looks hand(this thing rotating cylinder). So now i can reproduce trigger, and hand, but hardest to understand is this "cocking dog", and all this strange parts described in patent. I don't know any antique firearms collector, who have this gun. Maybe somebody on this forum have one of this revolver's, or know somebody who has? I think there are no picture in web of any internal part of this revolver (belive me, i was looking for this long, long time). Below are pictures, of trigger, and hand. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us

October 29, 2011, 10:03 PM	#7
noelf2 Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2008 Location: Stuart, VA Posts: 2,473	I never knew these little revolvers existed. Would love to see an Italian replica produced. __________________ Liberty and freedom often offends those who understand neither.

October 28, 2011, 12:26 PM	#2
arcticap Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2005 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 3,166	Here's the schematic of the Pedersoli reproduction of the Remington Rider derringer. Perhaps it's a close enough copy of the original to be useful. http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/uplo.../S342-S351.pdf Accessed from this page: http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/sche...der-white.html

October 28, 2011, 01:52 PM	#3
Samuel90 Junior Member Join Date: October 27, 2011 Posts: 3	This Pedersoli Rider derringer is pistol, and i'm talking about revolver. Here You can see patent drawings: http://www.remingtonsociety.com/gall...serialNumber=2 And here pictures of Remington Rider revolver converted to .32 rimfire (originally it was a percussion revolver): http://www.american-firearms.com/ame...3inch-left.jpg http://www.american-firearms.com/ame...inch-right.jpg As far, as i know there was manufactured about 115.000 Remington Rider's revolvers. And there are no company who makes reproduction of this revolver. On patent drawings you can see internal mechanism, but it looks very complicated, and unclear for me. It's even more difficult to figure how this mechanism works, because before they start serial production of this revolver there was introduced some changes in mechanism, like removing loading lever, and trigger guard was no longer spring for cylinder stop. I also found a text part of patent on remington society page, but my english is too bad to fully understand how it works. http://www.remingtonsociety.com/gall...g2_itemId=1472 If anybody have any ideas, how it can work, please make a drawing, and post it here. Sorry again for my english, and i hope you know, what i mean.

January 14, 2013, 04:43 PM	#8
oderr Junior Member Join Date: January 13, 2013 Posts: 1	Remington Rider Did you ever get any good drawings or photographs of the Remington Rider trigger? If not, I can take some pictures for you.

June 22, 2014, 09:34 AM	#9
buckiav8r Junior Member Join Date: November 29, 2011 Location: oh Posts: 1	Remington Rider I need help too. Would like to get photo of the lockwork with the sideplate removed. The one I have has had a repair attempt made on the trigger pivot pin and I believe the geometry is all wrong. Would like to see a photo of how it is supposed to be. Mike