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We're going a bit afield here, but maybe something can be salvaged from that statement. If a jury decides that someone was driving 70, it can matter a great deal how they arrived at that conclusion. Even if a radar gun wa used, and the state attempted to introduce the reading as evidence, there would be more to it. The state could be required to processed the calibration records for the gun in question. I'm not saying that for the purpose of argument. The rdar engineer who dat net to me at work was the test case. He appealed his conviction as a mater of principle, and he won. The conviction was thrown out, and precedence regarding the admissibility of speed measurement evidence was established. |
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The part people seem to be missing is that a violent attacker will have a lengthy record of criminal association and crime leading up to this. Armed robbery for example is not a crime one starts with. The BG in this case may be well known to the local police, may even be currently wanted.
The hard part to any of this is that it is largely dependent on where you are when this happens. I am retired from LE after having been a big city cop and then federal agent for 30 years and by choice I live in a relatively crime free conservative region of the county. If you live in New England or Cali, OR, Wa is it an ENTIRELY different world. I believe that 19 states have some sort of qualified immunity to civil action after using force in Self Defense. My state has a great law in that respect. The reasoning here is that the state does not want its good citizens victimized by a criminal and then victimized all over again after the use of justified force during SD.
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There are a couple of exceptions in a couple of jurisdictions, but that's the general principle. |
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And really? Did you just assert, as a matter of fact, that no violent criminal attack has been carried out by someone without a criminal record? |
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In this situation does 4 feet or 10 feet change anything?
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I suppose that some ammunition and its packaging could perhaps combine with other things to tip the scales in a case in which the case for the defense was not convincing. You won't find me carrying it--I like high quality stuff that has been tested to meet FBI standards, if I can get it. Now, if I were in a position in which I had to carry a .32-20 or a .38 S&W for some reason, I might have to use an off brand. Is there any such stuff out there that might pose a risk? I don't know, but I rend to doubt it. |
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Not directly on the topic of this post - but if you are ever called up for jury duty, don't try to get out of it. Just do your civic duty and serve. It is VERY educational, especially to be involved in the discussions and dynamics that go on inside a the jury deliberation room, and how people can apply completely different weightings, pre-conceptions, and their own brand of "common sense" to the evidence presented.
It's a sobering experience, and will make you think several times about what is and is not important. The old saying about better to be tried by 12, was from someone who was not tried by 12. I would try to avoid that as much as the part about being carried by 6. To the original topic - I carry Buffalo Bore products in a couple of my self-defense firearms and don't worry about it. In one case, a .38, I carry the 158gr lead semi-wadcutter HP, which used to be called the "FBI round" because they still make it and nobody else seems to. In another, a .380, their hotter loads tend to improve the effectiveness of a marginal round. Still weaker than a 9mm by a fair margin. So the argument would have to be along the lines of "so, you carried a "hot" cartridge to try to make your weak gun a little closer to being useful?" Yep. |
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I think this one's wandered too far afield already.
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