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Old June 1, 2017, 08:11 PM   #1
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Norinco Trench Shotgun

Well I got bored and this happened. I took my riot version and made a trench version. I really like the heatshield I got from Numrich.

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Old June 1, 2017, 08:50 PM   #2
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Excellent! I love it. How does it run?
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Old June 1, 2017, 09:17 PM   #3
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It runs very smooth. I was very surprised.

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Old June 1, 2017, 09:46 PM   #4
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Good work with some nice touches. The bayonet is long enuff to run through a parade of an opposing force and then blow them off with one shot.
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Old June 2, 2017, 01:46 AM   #5
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The long bayonet is a nice correct touch. WWI trench guns were at a disadvantage in bayonet fighting, because the gun is short,even with the long bayonet, compared to the rifles of the enemy and their bayonets. Still a handy thing to have at need.

I'm not certain, but I believe that even when we went to the shorter bayonet for our rifles, we kept the long bayonet as the correct issue to go with the shotgun.

A lot of people questioned the long bayonet, "why use one twice as long as the enemy is thick??"

Until they learned that when you use a rifle with bayonet, REACH matters.

Going to the shorter blade during WWII was done because it was recognized that while still important enough to train troops to do, bayonet to bayonet fighting was on the decrease, compared to WWI.

The trend has continued to this day, bayonets are useful as knives, and for herding civilians, much, much more than for bayonet vs. bayonet fighting today.

Maybe the Marines still train some with it, I don't know. I do know that when I went through Army basic training (in the mid 70s) our bayonet training consisted of a DI holding up a bayonet, "This is the M7 Bayonet!!", then tossing it to stick in the ground at his feet, and saying, "You will not use it!!!"

If you want to add a little more "correct" look to your trench gun, I know a guy who got one of the Ordnance Corp's "Flaming bomb" stamps, I believe you can still buy them. As long as you don't try and pass off the gun as authentic original, its not fraud, its a "reproduction".
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Old June 2, 2017, 07:20 PM   #6
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Maybe the Marines still train some with it, I don't know.

There are a few bayonet techniques taught in the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program and some different rifle techniques to get someone to let go of your rifle, but I can't really say its emphasized outside of basic.
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Old June 2, 2017, 09:08 PM   #7
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I thought about the stamp, but I didn't want anyone to think that I was faking anything.

I purchased the bayonet years ago for my M1917 Eddystone. I had not realized how expensive these had gotten. Even the reproductions are $75 to $100!

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Old June 3, 2017, 12:27 AM   #8
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Are the Norinco 87s well thought of? Do they jam up all the time?
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Old June 3, 2017, 06:50 AM   #9
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Well done. The Win. 1897 is a design I have always admired, but, could never convince myself to buy one. I may have to change that.
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Old June 3, 2017, 07:03 AM   #10
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Looks nice and if I may say so intimidating as all heck! Where did you get the bayonet mount from? I've been looking for one for a project.
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Old June 3, 2017, 07:36 AM   #11
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As a Brit, my rifle was an Enfield .303 Bolt action. I was a conscript, 1954 to 1956, made in Canada, a tack driver! I was the first Soldier issued this Rifle, me and the Armour cleaned all the gunk off it.

But the Bayonet? was a round spike, about 10" long. Feeding some one the brass butt plate was effective? Ended up with a 9mm Sten Gun. In Germany, on Schemes, no ammo! I did have a very sharp Jack Knife. It had a spike too!
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Old June 3, 2017, 09:55 AM   #12
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Minorcan,

Here's the one I purchased from Numrich:

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/ad/813820.htm

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Old June 3, 2017, 12:20 PM   #13
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Looks real nice, I was going to do the same thing to mine but sold it to a friend that wanted it more than me.
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The trend has continued to this day, bayonets are useful as knives, and for herding civilians, much, much more than for bayonet vs. bayonet fighting today.

Maybe the Marines still train some with it, I don't know. I do know that when I went through Army basic training (in the mid 70s) our bayonet training consisted of a DI holding up a bayonet, "This is the M7 Bayonet!!", then tossing it to stick in the ground at his feet, and saying, "You will not use it!!!"
My 16.1" Mini-G runs an Old School bayonet. It's very sharp. Worked the edge hard to get it that way ...

Zeds and Commies fear it. Alt-Left liberals too. No doubt it's on their very long "Next-to-Ban-list."

Bayonets matter ... They just do.

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Old June 3, 2017, 04:55 PM   #15
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Nice mini G, my dudenal.

OP that is a nice trench gun for sure. Do you have a pouch?

https://www.worldwarsupply.com/cart/Shotgun-Case
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Old June 4, 2017, 09:08 PM   #16
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You could vault over the trench with that bayonet! Nice shotgun.
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Old July 5, 2017, 08:31 PM   #17
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Do you have to remove the bead from a 20" 1897 to mount the heat shield/bayonet mount?
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Old July 6, 2017, 08:20 PM   #18
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Yes. I had to remove the bead front sight. The replacement heat shield/bayonet mount has one on it.
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Old July 8, 2017, 12:22 AM   #19
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Yes. I had to remove the bead front sight. The replacement heat shield/bayonet mount has one on it.
I assume it's threaded in like most modern beads?
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Old July 9, 2017, 04:32 PM   #20
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Yes it was.
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Old July 14, 2017, 07:00 PM   #21
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Shades of Sgt York! I think he used a Springfield but whatever.

As for the Marines, they were serious about bayonet training, at least in 64.
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Old July 25, 2017, 01:07 PM   #22
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Next question - does anyone know if the beads on the aftermarket 1897 heat shields are typically threaded on or brazed on?

Sorry for the questions, but I've searched the internet extensively and can not find the answer to this question.


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Old July 30, 2017, 01:22 PM   #23
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I think it would vary based on who made the heat shield. The one I purchased appears to be threaded in.
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Old July 31, 2017, 09:55 AM   #24
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I think it would vary based on who made the heat shield. The one I purchased appears to be threaded in.
Referring to the one sold by Numrich.
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