Any decent all steel precision 9 mm semi-auto's out there?

[HighValleyRanch]

"...if there is such a thing..." Nope. At least not for bullseye shooting. No match grade 9mm bullets either.

Some would disagree.
Tony Kidd and David Sams are at least two custom gunsmiths who specialize in the Beretta 9mm for the bullseye competitions.
Here is from a post on the Smith forums showing the accuracy of Sam's work:

" Load for the 9mm Service Pistol

Here is a 9mm load that David Sams has been using for testing Beretta 92 barrels and his completed guns that has been proven sub 1.5" groups at 50 yds is as follows:

* Starline brass
* 115gr Hornady FMJ-RN bullet
* 6.0 - 6.2gr Alliant Power Pistol powder
* Rem #5 1/2 SP primers
* O.A.L. -- 1.120" no-crimp

Out of a barrel test fixture using Bar-Sto barrels groups have consistently run between .975" to 1.5" averaging about 1". Through David's completed 92F's, he claims that they have been running 1.3" - 1.5" as a reminder these are hand-loaded.

For a 9mm, about as good as you can get."

[ShootistPRS]

The CZ75B is all steel, full size, and mine at least is very accurate. The double action trigger pull is very nice but the single action pull was rough (grating and catchy) until I did a little work on it. The sights are mounted low to the slide and are adequate for most. I like bigger sights and was going to get them but I have grown to like the factory sights.

[dgludwig]

The CZ 75 is no BHP clone. Far from it...

Other than both being semi-auto pistols, pretty far apart in terms of design and execution indeed. Hardly clones.

[dgludwig]

S&W model 952... if you can find one and are ready to pay the entry fee.

What are these superb pistols going for now (in new or as new condition)?

[WVsig]

What are these superb pistols going for now (in new or as new condition)?

$2500 +/-

The P210 and the S&W 952 are the only real contenders that come to mind. A tuned 92FS can work but not right out of the box.

CZ 75Bs & BHPs, except for a Browning GP Competition, will not cut it IMHO but then again you have to be able to shoot the pistols to or beyond their limits which I certainly cannot.

[zincwarrior]

SVI's boast 1.5 inch at 50 yards as well.

Apex tactical boasts similar with it's Smith fitted barrels yo M and P long pistols.

[brian33x51]

EAA witness match 9mm. msrp ~1500
https://eaacorp.com/index.php/guns/h...d-tanfoglio-81

http://oakhillguns.com/eaa-witness-e...ol-600310.html

http://oakhillguns.com/pistol/eaa-tanfoglio.html

[Hammerhead]

Anyone serious about the S&W 952 should try before they buy, or at least hold one.
The ergonomics are unusual and didn't work for me. Does not feel like a High Power or a CZ or 1911.

[wild cat mccane]

EAA Witness Match is just the beginning of the Tanfoglio "match" line up.

Match, Match Pro, Elite, Limited Elite, Hunter, Xtreme...

Gold for $4k

http://tooeleshootingsupply.com/shop...rk-eaa-610066/

Tanfoglio isn't just a clone of CZ, there are improvements.

[BigJimP]

Wilson Combat makes a number of their 1911's - in 9mm - with 1" guarantees at 25 yds.

I would recommend a 5" Wilson....CQB or Protector models ...in 9mm / I have a full size, 5" protector, all stainless that has been one of the best guns I own for last 11 yrs...( $3K - $4K) depending on options you pick.

[zincwarrior]

Same for Les Baer and STI.

[reynolds357]

My cz sp01 custom shop is a lot more accurate than I am. I can shoot it under 2 inch at 25 yds. My friend, who is a competitive slow fire revolver shooter can shoot it well under 1 inch.

[Road_Clam]

My SA Range Officer 1911 chambered 9mm is by far the top precision handgun in my fleet of 9's. Can't get much more precision for $750 "out of the box"

[10-96]

Road Clam, Have you tried lead ball, TC, or SWC through your SA RO yet?

[JDBerg]

Dan Wesson Pointman 9, CZ 75 Tactical Sport

[fourbore]

Wilson Combat makes a number of their 1911's - in 9mm - with 1" guarantees at 25 yds.

Same for Les Baer and STI.

I though Les Baer was 1" at 50 yards? Hand fitted to the nines. I would say a step above wilson or sti. That is reputation, I dont have one. If the OP has good taste and budget for a Smith 41 -- Baer is probably the way to go (I am also assuming they offer a 9mm based on prior posting)

I have an STI Target Master, 6" barrel. Now discontinued. That was offered as a 9 or 45. Those were $1500 or little less dependent on the dealer. Mine will hold 2" at 25 yards, factory 185 loads in 45acp. I was not aware of any STI guarantee. I dont have a machine rest, but I can hold (and see) an inch with a good bench rest - so I am pretty confident. Probably subtract 1/2 inch for a machine rest test. Its a great gun and worlds better than my colt gold cup. After the STI experience, I plan to have my gold cup re-barreled. The 9mm should be at least as good given the heavier barrels. Target Master is (was) kind of an entry point for STI, you can pay double for, I assume, more performance. But, I just dont recall seeing any guarantee. They also have models that accept optics and remind me of a 1970's pimp mobile. I dont care for the solid guide rod takedown. You get used to it. It is a tight gun, yet very smooth. They recommend Lucas oil and clean after every shooting. The trigger started out 3 1/4 pounds and now running close to 2 1/2. It adjusts for over travel and breaks clean. Good value, IMHO. This model has a very fancy rear sight. I dont know if they offer that any more. Its has three independent settings.

[Fishbed77]

I saw that Arex is coming out with an all-steel competition version of their Rex Zero pistol.

[zincwarrior]

Foulbore, to be clear I was noting these were both accurate within the parameters of the OP.

[JWT]

Dan Wesson has several 1911s in 9mm. Very accurate, very good guns, but a bit pricey.

[Sevens]

I'm fortunate enough to have a few 9mm chambered S&W Performance Center pistols but admit that I am still working diligently (but slowly) at finding the best handloads to make them sing.

In the mean time, I admit a little bit of frustration in that I can outshoot them with my very basic Tanfoglio Witness Elite Match... the base model "custom" SAO from EAA/Tanfoglio. I either personally believe or perhaps simply WANT the S&W PC pistols to rise above my Elite Match but so far, that hasn't happened. Call it a "carrot" hanging out in front of me.

I have never had the opportunity to shoot a CZ Tactical Sport but from what I have heard, it might be hard to beat that, especially for the money. I can say that my buddy took a plain-Jane CZ-75SA that was "nice but not special" and with Cajun internals, made that trigger absolutely impressive. But my Tanfoglio will lay down a smaller group on paper.

In my opinion, there may be only a few human people on this planet who -LOVE- a S&W Performance Center 5"/6" Limited pistol more than I love them (they are my true passion) but when you consider the cost required to "play" (high) the collectibility (high) and the aftermarket support (none) and the factory support (zilch), it is hard to recommend this as the best answer in 9mm for ultimate accuracy here in 2017.

Mine won't be sold until I'm in my retirement years and I figure this old heap of a body has maybe 25 years of work left in it, God willing.

[Rinspeed]

I though Les Baer was 1" at 50 yards? Hand fitted to the nines.

For an extra $300 they will provide a 1.5" guarantee at 50 yards.

[Road_Clam]

Originally Posted by 10-96

Road Clam, Have you tried lead ball, TC, or SWC through your SA RO yet?

Have not loaded any hard cast. I really only load 124 gr Armscore FMJRN's. I got a great deal on 6000 of em', so did a lot of load workups and I settled on 5.6 gr of Unique.

[BigJimP]

Les Baer's reputation...not good in my view !

For what its worth....I have 1911's in 9mm....from Kimber, Baer and Wilson...and some buddies have Springfield, Colt & Nighthawk....and Kimber & Wilson.

And out of that mix --- the worst gun in terms of fit, finish & reliability is the Baer Monolith 5" gun that I custom ordered new about 14 yrs ago..( gun was a huge disappointment ---- although a gunsmith associate was able to tune it up enough that I gave it to one of my adult sons...& its above avg now in reliability & accuracy - with wilson parts in it now ( extractor, sear, disconnector, guide rod & bushing & a lot of labor...).....

... ...and the top 3 guns out of about 12 in 9mm ......are all Wilsons in fit, finish, reliability
& accuracy...mine, Protector model 5" with close to 200,000 rds thru it in 11 + yrs ...and the other 2 wilsons - both 5" CQB's ..one at 2 yrs with 10,000 rds thru it & other 5 yrs old with about 40,000 rds thru it.......no comparison, hands down !!

I have other 1911's in .45 acp....and a lot of my buddies do too...and Wilson stands out there as well...in 4", 4.25" and 5" guns...mostly CQB's...but a couple of super grades as well.../ your experience with Baer may differ....but no more money spent on Baer's out of my pocket.

[bac1023]

$2500 +/-

The P210 and the S&W 952 are the only real contenders that come to mind. A tuned 92FS can work but not right out of the box.

Actually, unless the gun is extremely rough, it's next to impossible to find a Swiss P210 target variant for $2500 these days. You can still get a milsurp P210-2 for that, but that's about it.

952 prices have also gone up quite a bit.

I've got quite a few for this thread. Just need to take some pics.

[Jim Watson]

I finally noticed where the OP is. The Netherlands.
I don't know the population of Dutch 1911-smiths, but I doubt there are many and I am now reluctant to recommend one.

European shooter, European gun.
How about a nice Pardini GT9?