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May 6, 2013, 01:34 PM | #26 | |||
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Merad, I'm curious why you think it's so weak- on its philosophical merits, disregarding the video. Quote:
IMHO convenience is a very weak argument. Many of the emotionally-charged "If It Saves Just One Child's Life..." arguments in favor of severe gun control are based on the flip side of the convenience argument- i.e. guns are ridiculously dangerous, and not very useful for any societally beneficial purpose in the hands of civilians, so it's appropriate to make it highly inconvenient for average folks own them. *Let's not digress into discussing the merits of these ideas; I'm just being hypothetical. Cheers.
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Not to derail the thread, but how many of your DA, semi auto., handguns,
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May 7, 2013, 05:14 PM | #28 |
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Re: High Cap Magazines.....who needs them?
I think the sound effects were just the to make a point to non gun owners who don't know that the locked back slide means the gun is empty. The "click" is a universal sound for anyone who has seen a movie.
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I concur. That sickening click makes it all the more clear that the guy is out of ammo.
A locked back slide doesn't resonate with folks like that "click" does, in my opinion.
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First of all, the first time you see that guy fire the pistol is the first time he EVER fired one. It was done on purpose. It was to help relate to your average firearm owner who likely bought a gun to use for defense, maybe put a box of ammo through it, and stuck it in the safe until it was needed. They even said they casted him because he wasn't LE or military (and most of the people who went to the casting call were), didn't look LE or military, and had almost no firearm experience. Secondly, honestly, the video wasn't made for you. It wasn't made for gun owners. It was made for the people who are undecided on the issue of standard capacity magazines. Most of those people don't have a whole lot of experience, if any, and couldn't be able to tell the difference between 9mm and 50AE if you held them side by side. Quote:
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Good response, Gaerek. Your analysis seems to have been a thread stopper.
Possibly because it was the correct analysis! The whole point of the PSA was to show what could happen to an ordinary family. You know, the Dad has a gun, but has never really trained or given self defense more than a second thought, after he purchased the gun. Add to this that if you actually count the shots fired, there weren't 10, there were 7. Remind anyone of a recently enacted law? Given the paucity of training by the majority of gun owners, this scenario is all too likely... Even to the flinching and closed eyes. The PSA also shows the fallacy of the One-Stop-Shot. Many good things to take away from this, but only if you look at who this is targeted. Trust me. It ain't us! Skans? 22's??? Take another look. |
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I thought to me they looked to be .380, possibly .40
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I'm going to go with he was using a larger caliber round (9mm is most likely) firing blanks. I can't see any evidence to the contrary. |
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May 9, 2013, 09:58 AM | #34 |
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The photo Al attached clearly shows a centerfire cartridge (notice the firing pin indent). Probably a .380 but maybe a .32 acp.
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May 9, 2013, 01:04 PM | #35 |
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I stand corrected - looks like ti is some kind of small caliber centerfire cartridge.
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May 9, 2013, 01:29 PM | #36 |
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That is a HK USP 9mm modified to shoot blanks.
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May 9, 2013, 01:52 PM | #37 |
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Dissension
Lately, the one thing that I find disapointing about these current debates, is the disunity expressed by suppesdly, 2A supporters, NRA members and gunowners, in general. Now, I personally do not find the "Black-Guns" all that attractive as well as 30-round magazines but I certainly would not deny folks from owning them. Some of us would. .....
During a recent conversation with a NRA lifer, hunter and competition shooter. He stated that in a perfect world, no one needs a 30-round magazine. My reply was; In a perfect world, the capacity would not matter. All could be trusted with a drum magazine. .... Stand your ground and; Be Safe !!!
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May 21, 2013, 10:38 AM | #38 |
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re: high cap magazines who needs them?
I wish some government jerk would sit down and define the government notion of a "high cap magazine", so that the rest of us can figure out how many politicians need to get unelected!
My particular Browning Hi-Power semi-suto's have been produced from the factory with a STANDARD 13-round magazine, since the day they first left the FN plant in Belgium, in 1935! It is foolishness, to be hopping about, attempting to say what is a 'hi-cap magazine', when these folks don't know the brand of toilet tissue that is iin their house! Lastly, 'hi-cap magazine', to me, is about as defineable, as 'paying your fair share', which the nation has yet to hear an actual dollar figure put to that nonsense, either! |
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I will not surrender 75% of my hard earned hi-capacity
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Thank you for posting the video. I copied and pasted that to my "revolver" buds who say "You'll never need more than 5-6 shots." I ONLY have high capacity semi's for personal defense, the exception of "high capacity" being the KelTec's we have. The double stacks like the Glocks, the XD-45, the Beretta 92FS, etc are what I consider my personal carry / primary home defense pistols. This has been repeated a zillion times, but it's so true......"Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it." My grandpap drilled that into my head in the 1960's and I never forgot it. Nor could I argue against it.
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I don't own any high capacity magazines.
I use the factory standard 15 round magazines for my P226, P229 and PPQ and I have factory standard 30 round magazines for my AR's. I don't want/need any "High capacity" 31 round mags on my glock for SD/HD and you won't see a BETA mag on my bed side rifle. Oh wait thats right, to anti gunners high capacity doesn't mean what it really means Carry on
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Depends on what one defines as "need." A CCW holder does not need a high capacity magazine, but LEOs and military do as they may be involved in a prolonged gun fight. They might not have time to reload.
BUT, when has "need" been the criterion for legally owning anything? I suspect that the anti-gunners have cars that they don't need and many other things. The rich have vacation houses that they don't need, but they enjoy them and can afford them so have at it. I don't care for AK 47s and certainly do not need one, but if I wanted one that fact should not legally prohibit me from purchasing it. Jerry
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I hope they do another video that shows that a double barrelled shotgun is not enough gun for defense.
Of the gun community, those who post online are probably the minority. Of those who post, most appear to feel they are able to hit the 10 ring 999 times out of 1000. The reality is, none of us know what will happen when we are faced with such a scenario. We can guess and estimate, and all we are really doing is hoping that the time we spent shooting at paper targets will have done us some good.
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I don't need X rounds. I need as many rounds as I can get to ensure that I have the best chance of survival in arbitrary self defense scenarios. We don't get to choose if, where, when, and how we'll have to use a gun in self defense. If I pick a gun that's limited to 6 rounds, or 7+1, so be it. That's a functional trade-off in gun design and round effectiveness. What I think is criminally stupid is artificial limitation on magazine capacity for a gun when its flush-fitting magazines are designed/capable of holding more.
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Since when does "need" (especially when that "need" is defined by some disinterested desk jockey in the .gov) have diddly squat to do the excercise of a Right ? And most especially, a right that the COTUS specificly protects form such meddling by said .gov?
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Which is why I keep a Benelli autoloader next to my AK-47 with a full magazine.
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The problem with this whole arguement (both sides) is picking an arbitrary number and using it to define a standard is a non starter.
I don't *need* three dogs. I have three dogs. I could be a really crappy dog owner and should have no dogs, or I could be a really awesome dog owner and should/could have a lot more dogs. Establishing a number as too how many dogs I should have is silly, as it doesn't nessasrly factor into the quality of my canine ownership. Same goes for cars, guns, tools, whatevers. As firearm ownership is a constitutionally protected right of American citizens, placing an arbitrary number is ultimatly meaningless and an infringment of that right. Any debat or BS over "how many rounds do you need"? defeats the ultimate point we are trying to make which is "This is our right, and our rights shall not be defined by what you think I *need*." Furthermore, bad guys arn't going to be limited by any silly "hi capacity" maginzine law any more then they'd be limited by any gun ban, so saying that there's some supposed benifit there is just flat out stupid. (for the record, I'm a very good dog owner and they are very happy dogs ) |
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Whatever the case this scenario should clarify things very clearly for people who are ambivalent and listen to the latest anti-gun du jour.
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Lately I find myself analogy-happy. Maybe excessively so.
That said, it is often proclaimed that 'the pen is mightier than the sword'. So, by anti-gun logic, it would follow that "high capacity" speech should be curtailed. Mainstream media should only get 500words per article, no? Or maybe 200words? Why would they need more? Think of where all those stray words are going! Surely they don't need 10,000 words or more! That's just crazy! Hm, did I exceed my word limit? [/sarcasm]
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And keyboards should be banned. Most of them are assault keyboards, although manual typewriters could be grandfathered in. But nobody needs anything but a pen or pencil to express himself. And a PPOID should be required to buy anything except a Magic Marker.
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