What should my first auto be?-Poll

Henry Baker · October 11, 2005, 08:06 PM

Well, I've caught the fullauto bug. I have a while to wait before I can get one BUT, I've been thinking about it a lot. What kind should I get? This is assuming I have about 20K to spend, give or take preferably take, and I can only get one. I don't need a specific model, but what general type should I get? Any advice from experienced shooters is appreciated.

Thanks,
Henry Baker

fanoblack · October 11, 2005, 09:18 PM

I don't own one, but a M16 gives you a lot in one package.

First off, a lot of calibers to choose from, 5.56, 9mm, .45 ACP, .22lr, and I think 7.62 X 39.

A lot of accessories, short barrels, all sorts of stocks, silencers mount easy enough.

Parts are easy enough to find.

Its just a well rounded package.

fanoblack

CQBArms · October 11, 2005, 09:35 PM

Ar/m16

psycho nut · October 11, 2005, 10:19 PM

How about the P90?

Cortland · October 12, 2005, 03:17 AM

I'd say you have three choices: an M16, an Uzi, or an HK sear.

The Uzi is a great get because we're pretty much living at the pinnacle of Uzi-dom right now -- tons of accessories and conversions available. My recommendation: get a converted IMI (RR, no rail), have Vector refurb it and bring to SMG spec.

Although the M16 does give you a lot of versatility. I mean, you could buy an Oly Arms receiver and even if it's beat to hell you can have Oly repla ... err, nevermind. And they're also coming out with this great beltfed upper called the Shr ... err, nevermind.

And of course the HK sear speaks for itself.

chrisandclauida2 · October 12, 2005, 03:28 AM

for 20 grand you can get a couple. a m16 goes around 15 so you have a few bucks left. but the hk as was mentioned can provide access to several different weapons. get the sear and you can put it in almost any hk weapon of the like.if you get a ffl you could go full auto glock 18 or a beretta full aouot . those would be fun.

CQBArms · October 12, 2005, 07:00 AM

p90 = not a transferable so you couldn't get one of those.

The full auto glock et al...you need a demo letter and still Glock isn't going ot sell you one.

$15k will easily get you a transferable M16...down side is the other $5K will get you a mac and some toys or a reising or something like that...$20K will not get you an M16 and an HK sear unless you get a cheaper m16...

if you got an AR/M16 for $10K you can expect to pay about the same or a little less for a sear.
Then there is the issue of the sear gun for a couple grand...and those will not always fit any sear with no work.

Benton · October 12, 2005, 07:13 AM

I think most people end up shooting their submachine guns more than their rifles or belt-fed automatics. Nine millimeter is easy to come by in bulk or to reload. It is also easy to suppress - something I endorse for the purpose of not annoying the neighbors or advertising that you have automatic firearms to everyone within a couple of miles. The full-sized machineguns are just a pain to set up, to maintain, and find a variety of places for shooting. The rifles, for me, are more fatiguing and too much blast for extensive shooting. The mid to large-sized subguns are a joy to plink with and can be handled by people of all sizes comfortably due to their low recoil and modest weight.

Asmodeous · October 12, 2005, 08:06 AM

I really want a belt-fed, but don't have anyplace to shoot one regularly, so I keep buying smaller guns

if I was only going to buy one, it would be an M16. With a dedicated 22 upper you can shootit all day, fast and accurately, for just a few bucks, with a 9mm conversion, you get a good subgun; both my Oly and Garrison 9mm conversions run great, even though they are very different, and of course, you can always run it as a 5.56.

There are other caliber conversions available as well (45 ACP, 40 S&W, 6.8mm SPC, Beowolf, Grendel, Genghis, etc.) so you get a real versatile package.

shaggy · October 12, 2005, 09:39 AM

This is a no-brainer; get an M16. By far the most versatile platform available.

Wildalaska · October 12, 2005, 10:54 AM

History.

Keep in mind that if the registry gets opened, all of the modern and remade stuff is gonna plummet in value.

Not so original Thompsons/

Best ivestement besides tons of fun

WilddualpurposeAlaska

The British Soldier · October 12, 2005, 02:14 PM

Israeli Micro-Uzi at 1,800 rounds per minute cyclical rate of fire; it is a fantastic weapon to fire and difficult to control effectively, especially if fired like a pistol from a weaver grip. The suppressor makes it a bit easier and keeps the muzzle down, but when you burst through it the high rate of fire degrades the noise performance; on single shot it is very quiet as it is closed bolt.

If a rifle option, the M16 range is so versatile and modular.

If price is no option, get yourself a 7.62mm Mini-Gun and a big bank account to buy all of that 7.62mm link - because I bet you'll shoot a lot of it!

Nevertheless, shooting automatic weapons is about as much fun as you can have with your clothes on!

Smurfslayer · October 12, 2005, 02:43 PM

You didn't say which type of shooting you like... Practical - IDPA, IPSC... Bullseye, short range, long range, etc...

I did subgun then auto rifle. This allowed me to get into the game, and save some. 20g's will still get you some good pieces. Don't overlook the FNC, like I got. They're half the cost of an M16, are sear guns that are not married to the receiver, and are a sturdy platform. Also, the m14 should not be overlooked.

If you're going to do a subgun, WTH, buy 2 or 3 M11's. Set one up as a beater, another up like a match gun - slow fire, optical sight... and one general purpose. Sure, they ooze Ghetto, but the slow fire M11's are winning the subgun matches !

Honorable mention has to go to the BAR, but it is kind of impractical from a cost perspective. What ever you get....

spend a few dollars on accessories, spare parts and if you don't already have one, a darn good safe.

Henry Baker · October 12, 2005, 05:27 PM

I will not be getting a P90...Ever! However, I must admit I'm glad the rifle's well liked becaus that's what I like most any way. I'm thinking either an M16A1 or an M14. Thanks for your help, keep it coming.

The British Soldier · October 13, 2005, 07:26 AM

P90s are an unusual weapon; we have been investigating them for non-Infantry personnel when the next generation weapons systems come in [the rifle/grenade launcher/PS2 game console combination].

I thought the cocking handle was too small and kept slipping out of my size 10 hands; though I did like the 2-stage trigger so that on 'auto' you can still fire single shots, but pull back and hold and it bursts. Very controllable and effective package.

GeorgeF · October 28, 2005, 03:27 PM

Get that M-16. I love my subbies but for purse versatility would like an M16. Especially with the Lakeside .22 belt fed kit - you could shoot a few bricks and have a GRAND time on the cheap. And if the weather is bad, go to your indoor range and no worries about 'rifle caliber' ammo. That alone makes me drool over a 16. They dont really interest me that much looks-wise.

View Poll Results: What general type should I get?
Full auto rifle, M14, H&K, M16	20	60.61%
Large submachine gun, Thompson, MP5	8	24.24%
Medium to small sub machine gun, MP5K PDW, Swedish K	4	12.12%
Some thing larger still, BAR, 30 cal. Browning.	1	3.03%
Voters: 33. You may not vote on this poll

October 11, 2005, 08:06 PM	#1
Henry Baker Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2005 Location: Central Florida Posts: 199	What should my first auto be?-Poll Well, I've caught the fullauto bug. I have a while to wait before I can get one BUT, I've been thinking about it a lot. What kind should I get? This is assuming I have about 20K to spend, give or take preferably take, and I can only get one. I don't need a specific model, but what general type should I get? Any advice from experienced shooters is appreciated. Thanks, Henry Baker

October 11, 2005, 09:18 PM	#2
fanoblack Senior Member Join Date: September 20, 2004 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 449	I don't own one, but a M16 gives you a lot in one package. First off, a lot of calibers to choose from, 5.56, 9mm, .45 ACP, .22lr, and I think 7.62 X 39. A lot of accessories, short barrels, all sorts of stocks, silencers mount easy enough. Parts are easy enough to find. Its just a well rounded package. fanoblack __________________ I know eight languages, unfortunately only one is spoken by humans.

October 11, 2005, 09:35 PM	#3
CQBArms Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2004 Posts: 192	Ar/m16 __________________ Visit Us @ CQB Arms Free Gun Image Hosting

October 11, 2005, 10:19 PM	#4
psycho nut Senior Member Join Date: June 3, 2005 Location: Nebraska Posts: 480	How about the P90? __________________ I can't spel.

October 12, 2005, 03:17 AM	#5
Cortland Member Join Date: May 24, 2004 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 26	I'd say you have three choices: an M16, an Uzi, or an HK sear. The Uzi is a great get because we're pretty much living at the pinnacle of Uzi-dom right now -- tons of accessories and conversions available. My recommendation: get a converted IMI (RR, no rail), have Vector refurb it and bring to SMG spec. Although the M16 does give you a lot of versatility. I mean, you could buy an Oly Arms receiver and even if it's beat to hell you can have Oly repla ... err, nevermind. And they're also coming out with this great beltfed upper called the Shr ... err, nevermind. And of course the HK sear speaks for itself.

October 12, 2005, 03:28 AM	#6
chrisandclauida2 Senior Member Join Date: September 21, 2005 Posts: 312	for 20 grand you can get a couple. a m16 goes around 15 so you have a few bucks left. but the hk as was mentioned can provide access to several different weapons. get the sear and you can put it in almost any hk weapon of the like.if you get a ffl you could go full auto glock 18 or a beretta full aouot . those would be fun.

October 12, 2005, 07:00 AM	#7
CQBArms Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2004 Posts: 192	p90 = not a transferable so you couldn't get one of those. The full auto glock et al...you need a demo letter and still Glock isn't going ot sell you one. $15k will easily get you a transferable M16...down side is the other $5K will get you a mac and some toys or a reising or something like that...$20K will not get you an M16 and an HK sear unless you get a cheaper m16... if you got an AR/M16 for $10K you can expect to pay about the same or a little less for a sear. Then there is the issue of the sear gun for a couple grand...and those will not always fit any sear with no work. __________________ Visit Us @ CQB Arms Free Gun Image Hosting

October 12, 2005, 07:13 AM	#8
Benton Member Join Date: June 3, 2000 Location: South Carolina Posts: 81	I think most people end up shooting their submachine guns more than their rifles or belt-fed automatics. Nine millimeter is easy to come by in bulk or to reload. It is also easy to suppress - something I endorse for the purpose of not annoying the neighbors or advertising that you have automatic firearms to everyone within a couple of miles. The full-sized machineguns are just a pain to set up, to maintain, and find a variety of places for shooting. The rifles, for me, are more fatiguing and too much blast for extensive shooting. The mid to large-sized subguns are a joy to plink with and can be handled by people of all sizes comfortably due to their low recoil and modest weight.

October 12, 2005, 08:06 AM	#9
Asmodeous Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2002 Posts: 114	I really want a belt-fed, but don't have anyplace to shoot one regularly, so I keep buying smaller guns if I was only going to buy one, it would be an M16. With a dedicated 22 upper you can shootit all day, fast and accurately, for just a few bucks, with a 9mm conversion, you get a good subgun; both my Oly and Garrison 9mm conversions run great, even though they are very different, and of course, you can always run it as a 5.56. There are other caliber conversions available as well (45 ACP, 40 S&W, 6.8mm SPC, Beowolf, Grendel, Genghis, etc.) so you get a real versatile package.

October 12, 2005, 09:39 AM	#10
shaggy Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2004 Posts: 1,519	This is a no-brainer; get an M16. By far the most versatile platform available.

October 12, 2005, 10:54 AM	#11
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	History. Keep in mind that if the registry gets opened, all of the modern and remade stuff is gonna plummet in value. Not so original Thompsons/ Best ivestement besides tons of fun WilddualpurposeAlaska

October 12, 2005, 02:14 PM	#12
The British Soldier Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2005 Location: England...that green and pleasasnt land. Posts: 295	Israeli Micro-Uzi at 1,800 rounds per minute cyclical rate of fire; it is a fantastic weapon to fire and difficult to control effectively, especially if fired like a pistol from a weaver grip. The suppressor makes it a bit easier and keeps the muzzle down, but when you burst through it the high rate of fire degrades the noise performance; on single shot it is very quiet as it is closed bolt. If a rifle option, the M16 range is so versatile and modular. If price is no option, get yourself a 7.62mm Mini-Gun and a big bank account to buy all of that 7.62mm link - because I bet you'll shoot a lot of it! Nevertheless, shooting automatic weapons is about as much fun as you can have with your clothes on! __________________ Mike When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains And the women come out to cut up what remains Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier. Rudyard Kipling.

October 12, 2005, 02:43 PM	#13
Smurfslayer Senior Member Join Date: June 3, 2001 Location: Northern Virginia, USA Posts: 298	Depends on what type of shooting you do most You didn't say which type of shooting you like... Practical - IDPA, IPSC... Bullseye, short range, long range, etc... I did subgun then auto rifle. This allowed me to get into the game, and save some. 20g's will still get you some good pieces. Don't overlook the FNC, like I got. They're half the cost of an M16, are sear guns that are not married to the receiver, and are a sturdy platform. Also, the m14 should not be overlooked. If you're going to do a subgun, WTH, buy 2 or 3 M11's. Set one up as a beater, another up like a match gun - slow fire, optical sight... and one general purpose. Sure, they ooze Ghetto, but the slow fire M11's are winning the subgun matches ! Honorable mention has to go to the BAR, but it is kind of impractical from a cost perspective. What ever you get.... spend a few dollars on accessories, spare parts and if you don't already have one, a darn good safe. __________________ Dave Help Repeal the National Parks ban on self defense!:

October 12, 2005, 05:27 PM	#14
Henry Baker Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2005 Location: Central Florida Posts: 199	I will not be getting a P90...Ever! However, I must admit I'm glad the rifle's well liked becaus that's what I like most any way. I'm thinking either an M16A1 or an M14. Thanks for your help, keep it coming.

October 13, 2005, 07:26 AM	#15
The British Soldier Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2005 Location: England...that green and pleasasnt land. Posts: 295	P90s are an unusual weapon; we have been investigating them for non-Infantry personnel when the next generation weapons systems come in [the rifle/grenade launcher/PS2 game console combination]. I thought the cocking handle was too small and kept slipping out of my size 10 hands; though I did like the 2-stage trigger so that on 'auto' you can still fire single shots, but pull back and hold and it bursts. Very controllable and effective package. __________________ Mike When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains And the women come out to cut up what remains Just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier. Rudyard Kipling.

October 28, 2005, 03:27 PM	#16
GeorgeF Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2004 Posts: 572	Get that M-16. I love my subbies but for purse versatility would like an M16. Especially with the Lakeside .22 belt fed kit - you could shoot a few bricks and have a GRAND time on the cheap. And if the weather is bad, go to your indoor range and no worries about 'rifle caliber' ammo. That alone makes me drool over a 16. They dont really interest me that much looks-wise.