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Old February 24, 2012, 11:57 AM   #26
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Blue Dot burns so clean at 35 kpsi in a 223 that it cannot burn any cleaner.
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Old February 24, 2012, 01:12 PM   #27
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Clark, have you tried AA#7 or AA4100 in .223? (or 5.56 NATO)
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Old February 24, 2012, 04:48 PM   #28
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For soft shooting loads with lead Trail Boss is king. It burns clean even at low pressures. The only soot in a gun after shooting with it is from bullet lube. I use about 4.0 grains with a 158 grain LSWC using CCI small rifle primers. It gives tiny groups, low recoil, and a gun that is easy to clean.

Now I do use a lot of Bull's Eye and it is dirty, and sooty. I still use it because it works. I just clean my gun when I get done shooting. It takes me a few minutes to do so.
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Old February 24, 2012, 04:56 PM   #29
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From my observations ,any Vihta Vuori is as clean as you can get under the most situations. I use AA#9 in my 357Sig loads and most of the time after being fired you can barely tell the case was even shot,they are still shiny inside.
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Old February 24, 2012, 06:35 PM   #30
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Clark, have you tried AA#7 or AA4100 in .223? (or 5.56 NATO)
No.
I learned about Blue Dot from a guy I hunted with, known in the internet as Seafire.
He learned it from the James Calhoon website.
http://www.jamescalhoon.com/

I have been to James Calhoon, and they do not have internet. That website is hosted somewhere else and the frames are hard to get around, but..

http://www.jamescalhoon.com/tobee2.php

They went through an evolution of reduced loads for ground squirrels, and eventually wild cats for ground squirrels.
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Old February 24, 2012, 08:08 PM   #31
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Clark, have you tried AA#7 or AA4100 in .223? (or 5.56 NATO)
No.
I learned about Blue Dot from a guy I hunted with, known in the internet as Seafire.
He learned it from the James Calhoon website.
http://www.jamescalhoon.com/

I have been to James Calhoon, and they do not have internet. That website is hosted somewhere else and the frames are hard to get around, but..

http://www.jamescalhoon.com/tobee2.php

They went through an evolution of reduced loads for ground squirrels, and eventually wild cats for ground squirrels.
Thanks. I just bought a Mini-14 (I know reduced loads would be better fired from a bolt action) and I *think* I have a jug of AA2230 and some 4895 but I'm not sure. I do have almost 16 pounds of #7, and it generally is usable in the same applications as Blue Dot but it's not as bulky. So maybe it's not a good choice but it should be worth a try.
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Old February 24, 2012, 08:23 PM   #32
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I don't have a mini 14, but I do have gas operated ARs.

The 33 gr Vmax and Blue dot will not cycle at any charge. It has to be operated single shot.
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Old February 24, 2012, 11:48 PM   #33
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Hodgdon CLAYS is my goto for light to medium lead loads from 38 spl to roundballs in my 44mag. Extreamly clean and very economic... I use 2.5 gr in 38 spl with 140 ldewc.
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Old February 25, 2012, 08:28 PM   #34
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In 45 colt I have found 7.5 grains of Red Dot over my 250 gr rnfp cast bullet to shoot extremely clean in relation to my barrel and brass.
Power Pistol is very clean burning as well in my guns .

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Old February 26, 2012, 08:43 PM   #35
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Here's a cure.....

1.The next time you reload, load up a box of ammo using real Black Powder. Go shoot that box off the first chance you get. 2.Go clean your gun. In two simple steps you'll be cured of complaining of dirty smokeless powder ever again. If you think I'm kidding just try it and you'll see.
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Old February 28, 2012, 08:24 PM   #36
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Pathfinder45 is right! I tried some blackpowder in my 38spl and the brass was so dirty that I gave up on cleaning them and threw them out.
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