Chicago Plans To Videotape All Firearms Sales - Page 2

Glenn E. Meyer · May 31, 2014, 07:55 PM

Since such a procedure would do nothing - it would then be used in arguments to extend gun bans, rules and whatever throughout IL and then the country.

What else is new?

Sgt Pepper · May 31, 2014, 10:04 PM

It sure is easy to come up with and make all kinds of restrictive laws when you do not have to follow them yourself. If you wore a Rahm mask, it would be okay to block the cameras while you made your purchase.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.1784783

Armed_Chicagoan · June 1, 2014, 12:35 AM

Yeah, I just paid a $100 speed camera fine this morning for speeding in a "park zone". The "park zone" was a street with a cemetery on either side, unbeknownst to me one of them has a tiny sliver of "park" adjacent to it.

The warning signs weren't posted until after the speed camera.

Oh how I hate this city!

**tyme** · June 1, 2014, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Pfleuger

Besides, there would have to be some easy way of segregating, downloading and storing this video for.... how long? This would get cumbersome in short order.

Easy solution.

"Attention: All gun buyers consent to having a video of their gun purchase(s) uploaded to youtube, in order for us to comply with the law at a minimum of cost to you."

Lakota · June 1, 2014, 07:05 AM

Down here we have show a pictured Drivers licence and they make a copy of it and put it with the forms.

**Tom Servo** · June 1, 2014, 12:48 PM

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"Attention: All gun buyers consent to having a video of their gun purchase(s) uploaded to youtube, in order for us to comply with the law at a minimum of cost to you."

In that case, I would show up in a marching band uniform and horse mask, and I'd do the Barbie Girl dance every time I bought a gun. Let the psychologists in the media work that one out.

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Down here we have show a pictured Drivers licence and they make a copy of it and put it with the forms.

Most dealers do that, but it's a different situation. Having the photocopy helps in case the buyer's handwriting is unclear, and it can also show due diligence during an audit. Those copies are filed with the 4473's and aren't shared with anyone.

**44 AMP** · June 1, 2014, 01:25 PM

Being virtually given that the files, if held by the city, will find their way to the public domain, legally or otherwise, it is something to consider.

While not openly stated, there HAS to be some kind of link between just your face buying a gun, and your identity, in the file, for it to be of any use, or even be "found" in the filing system.

SO, potentially, the video is an electronic list of firearms owners. If there is any way for a govt agency to identify you in the video (name, address, etc), even if it is hidden code in the file, if it is there for the agency to use, it could be found, and used by someone else.

Think about that....

Jay24bal · June 1, 2014, 10:04 PM

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If there is any way for a govt agency to identify you in the video (name, address, etc), even if it is hidden code in the file, if it is there for the agency to use, it could be found, and used by someone else.

Facial recognition software has been around for long time. It is simply a program that can match a photo of someone to another photo of someone. So a still from the video to your drivers license picture/FOID card/CCW permit/etc. It would not be hard to do.

May 31, 2014, 07:55 PM	#26
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Since such a procedure would do nothing - it would then be used in arguments to extend gun bans, rules and whatever throughout IL and then the country. What else is new? __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

June 1, 2014, 01:25 PM	#32
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,846	Being virtually given that the files, if held by the city, will find their way to the public domain, legally or otherwise, it is something to consider. While not openly stated, there HAS to be some kind of link between just your face buying a gun, and your identity, in the file, for it to be of any use, or even be "found" in the filing system. SO, potentially, the video is an electronic list of firearms owners. If there is any way for a govt agency to identify you in the video (name, address, etc), even if it is hidden code in the file, if it is there for the agency to use, it could be found, and used by someone else. Think about that.... __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

May 31, 2014, 10:04 PM	#27
Sgt Pepper Senior Member Join Date: August 19, 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 811	It sure is easy to come up with and make all kinds of restrictive laws when you do not have to follow them yourself. If you wore a Rahm mask, it would be okay to block the cameras while you made your purchase. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.1784783

June 1, 2014, 12:35 AM	#28
Armed_Chicagoan Senior Member Join Date: July 18, 2013 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 776	Yeah, I just paid a $100 speed camera fine this morning for speeding in a "park zone". The "park zone" was a street with a cemetery on either side, unbeknownst to me one of them has a tiny sliver of "park" adjacent to it. The warning signs weren't posted until after the speed camera. Oh how I hate this city!

June 1, 2014, 07:05 AM	#30
Lakota Member Join Date: March 14, 2012 Location: South Florida Posts: 58	Down here we have show a pictured Drivers licence and they make a copy of it and put it with the forms.