Humbling Experience

GrantLee63 · August 22, 2002, 07:17 PM

I recently acquired a Steyr Manlicher LP10 Air Pistol. I bought this gun for what I thought would be the ultimate practice pistol that I could use in my basement with the hope that it would improve my firearm skills.

Anyone use one of these or a similar Olympic grade match air pistol? These guns are awesome, and they are incredibly, incredibly accurate. They are also very humbling. Shooting a gun that you know is capable of 1 hole groups at 10 meters, a gun that has absolutely no recoil at all, means that if you do not put it in the X, it is ALL YOUR FAULT! Can't blame recoil, can't blame a crappy trigger, can't blame nothin' but your poor shooting skills.

I am throughly enjoying this outstanding piece of machinery, and would encourage anyone even thinking about getting one to do so - you will not regret it. I am looking forward to participating at some local 10 meter Air Pistol competitions this fall.

I would be interested in hearing from anyone who enjoys this type of shooting. Thanks in advance .....

UltimaThule · August 23, 2002, 04:02 PM

I don't do it as much as I should. It is indeed excellent practice. With (virtually) no recoil you can see any mistakes you make much easier than with a firearm. And because of the low velocity, the pellet stays in the barrel for a long time, so if you jerk the trigger, it will really show on the target. In a club I belong to, and coach for, we use Olympic grade air pistols to start all beginners. Just a couple of hours of instruction with the pellet guns at 10 meters and those newbies will shoot some amazing 25 meter groups on their first visit to the "big" range.

You're right, I have to get off my behind and buy myself a good air pistol (and maybe a rifle too, if I can persuade my wallet). Some quality training in the basement will not hurt, and playing with these incredibly accurate machines is fun. Shooting them in front of witnesses, though, can be downright embarrassing!

smoney · August 23, 2002, 08:39 PM

Price? what do these pistols run, i am very interested in an olympic quality Air, or 22 pistol.

thanks for any and all info.

Steve

GrantLee63 · August 24, 2002, 07:32 AM

A typical Olympic quality AP runs from 900 - 1200 US Dollars. I paid $1095.00 for my Steyr LP10 from Don Nygord of Nygord Precision www.nygord-precision.com Another good source of APs is Scott Pilkington www.pilkguns.com

Check out Target Talk as well - a link can be found on the Pilkington site. You will find TONS of information about Olympic quality APs and rifles, as it is a discussion forum about just that.

C.R.Sam · August 25, 2002, 02:12 PM

Nygord has also been known to turn really good used guns too. Substantial savings.

Sam

Powderman · August 25, 2002, 02:29 PM

Not exactly the same thing, but it is also a humbling experience.

I, being the "competent" gun handler that I am (or profess to be) decided to try out my hand at NRA Indoor Pistol shooting. This is bullseye type shooting at 15 yards.

I said to myself, "Hey--I do pretty well at rapid fire and timed fire at 25 yards. 15 should be a piece of cake. I'll walk out of there in at least the top 5 shooters."

Boy, was I in for a shock!!

The 25 yard bullseye on a NRA target is 1.69 inches in diameter.

The 15 yard bullseye on an NRA target is slightly smaller than a dime.

To put it bluntly, I went in cocky. I left whimpering, having my butt handed to me in both hands, with my tail tucked between my legs.

I have also tried Air Pistol. No way, guys--not yet. I'm nowhere near good enough for that.

Christopher II · August 28, 2002, 09:25 AM

LP10 is a fine, fine pistol. Good choice. I'm a bit jealous...

For those who want the joys of air pistol competition without the agonies of massive credit-card debt, try the Baikal IZH-46M. It's a single-pump pistol with adjustable trigger, sights, and stocks. Very accurate, and only runs about $250. For getting into air pistol shooting, you can hardly do better.

I love air pistols. Nothing, and I do mean nothing, teaches you sight alignment, trigger control, and followthrough like a good airgun. The best ammo in the world runs $75 for a case, and you can shoot it in your home with a $10 pellet trap. What's not to like?

- Chris

falconer · August 28, 2002, 10:49 AM

I second Chris' recommendation for the Baikal as a good starter gun.

Personally, I like the Morini 162 a bit more than the Steyr.

Grant is most definately right about it being your fault if they aren't all in the X with one of these pistols.

The attached picture is of a target from this years Collegiate Sectional match.

Anyone care to guess which shot was my last one?

August 22, 2002, 07:17 PM	#1
GrantLee63 Member Join Date: April 27, 2001 Location: Hometown of Henry Ford USA Posts: 83	Humbling Experience I recently acquired a Steyr Manlicher LP10 Air Pistol. I bought this gun for what I thought would be the ultimate practice pistol that I could use in my basement with the hope that it would improve my firearm skills. Anyone use one of these or a similar Olympic grade match air pistol? These guns are awesome, and they are incredibly, incredibly accurate. They are also very humbling. Shooting a gun that you know is capable of 1 hole groups at 10 meters, a gun that has absolutely no recoil at all, means that if you do not put it in the X, it is ALL YOUR FAULT! Can't blame recoil, can't blame a crappy trigger, can't blame nothin' but your poor shooting skills. I am throughly enjoying this outstanding piece of machinery, and would encourage anyone even thinking about getting one to do so - you will not regret it. I am looking forward to participating at some local 10 meter Air Pistol competitions this fall. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who enjoys this type of shooting. Thanks in advance ..... __________________ "Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool" -Unknown

August 23, 2002, 08:39 PM	#3
smoney Senior Member Join Date: November 13, 1999 Location: WV, USA Posts: 136	Price? what do these pistols run, i am very interested in an olympic quality Air, or 22 pistol. thanks for any and all info. Steve __________________ Visit our online store at www.1stoptacticalgear.com

August 24, 2002, 07:32 AM	#4
GrantLee63 Member Join Date: April 27, 2001 Location: Hometown of Henry Ford USA Posts: 83	Prices of APs A typical Olympic quality AP runs from 900 - 1200 US Dollars. I paid $1095.00 for my Steyr LP10 from Don Nygord of Nygord Precision www.nygord-precision.com Another good source of APs is Scott Pilkington www.pilkguns.com Check out Target Talk as well - a link can be found on the Pilkington site. You will find TONS of information about Olympic quality APs and rifles, as it is a discussion forum about just that. __________________ "Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool" -Unknown

August 25, 2002, 02:29 PM	#6
Powderman Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2001 Location: Washington State Posts: 2,166	Not exactly the same thing, but it is also a humbling experience. I, being the "competent" gun handler that I am (or profess to be) decided to try out my hand at NRA Indoor Pistol shooting. This is bullseye type shooting at 15 yards. I said to myself, "Hey--I do pretty well at rapid fire and timed fire at 25 yards. 15 should be a piece of cake. I'll walk out of there in at least the top 5 shooters." Boy, was I in for a shock!! The 25 yard bullseye on a NRA target is 1.69 inches in diameter. The 15 yard bullseye on an NRA target is slightly smaller than a dime. To put it bluntly, I went in cocky. I left whimpering, having my butt handed to me in both hands, with my tail tucked between my legs. I have also tried Air Pistol. No way, guys--not yet. I'm nowhere near good enough for that. __________________ Hiding in plain sight...

August 28, 2002, 09:25 AM	#7
Christopher II Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 1999 Location: Germantown, MD Posts: 2,349	LP10 is a fine, fine pistol. Good choice. I'm a bit jealous... For those who want the joys of air pistol competition without the agonies of massive credit-card debt, try the Baikal IZH-46M. It's a single-pump pistol with adjustable trigger, sights, and stocks. Very accurate, and only runs about $250. For getting into air pistol shooting, you can hardly do better. I love air pistols. Nothing, and I do mean nothing, teaches you sight alignment, trigger control, and followthrough like a good airgun. The best ammo in the world runs $75 for a case, and you can shoot it in your home with a $10 pellet trap. What's not to like? - Chris __________________ "There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him." – Robert Heinlein "Contrary to popular belief, your vote does not matter, and you cannot make a difference." - Bob Murphy, "Picking Neither of Two Evils" My PGP Public Key

August 23, 2002, 04:02 PM	#2
UltimaThule Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 458	I don't do it as much as I should. It is indeed excellent practice. With (virtually) no recoil you can see any mistakes you make much easier than with a firearm. And because of the low velocity, the pellet stays in the barrel for a long time, so if you jerk the trigger, it will really show on the target. In a club I belong to, and coach for, we use Olympic grade air pistols to start all beginners. Just a couple of hours of instruction with the pellet guns at 10 meters and those newbies will shoot some amazing 25 meter groups on their first visit to the "big" range. You're right, I have to get off my behind and buy myself a good air pistol (and maybe a rifle too, if I can persuade my wallet). Some quality training in the basement will not hurt, and playing with these incredibly accurate machines is fun. Shooting them in front of witnesses, though, can be downright embarrassing!

August 25, 2002, 02:12 PM	#5
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	Nygord has also been known to turn really good used guns too. Substantial savings. Sam

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