Ruger Markii Government Model

jeff2828 · March 6, 2012, 09:05 PM

Came across a Ruger Markii Government Target with serial 210-29469. Seller is asking $499 for 95% with a few scratches and 2 magazines. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

James K · March 6, 2012, 10:54 PM

Do you mean the gun is U.S. marked or that it is the "Government Target Model" without the "U.S." marking but in the 210 number series?

My source, The Blue Book, says that the U.S. marked pistols start at serial number 210-00001 and run to 210-18500, below the number you give.

U.S marked guns range in value from $300 to $1000 or so; the same model without the marking ranges from $125-$350 or so. Only some 25 of the "U.S." guns are believed to be in civilian hands.

In other words, that gun with the "U.S." marking would out of the known serial number range and likely a counterfeit; without the marking, the gun is not worth anything close to $500.

Jim

jeff2828 · March 7, 2012, 12:24 AM

Jim,

Thanks for the quick response. No "US" marking, its the civilian version "Government Target." Feels great, looks great besides the scratch, no target, no box but 2 clips. Sounds like the highest I should offer is $350. Are the older Rugers such as this one more accurate than the newer MarkIII models? Thanks again for the help.

PetahW · March 7, 2012, 10:19 AM

That stainless Gov't Target Model 678G Ruger Auto Pistol is worth $300 BBV, w/o the scatches.

The SN's interesting, as Ruger doesn't list ANY 210-prefix SN's for ANY .22 Auto pistols.

http://www.ruger.com/service/product...PI-MarkII.html

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grandpajoe · March 7, 2012, 10:58 AM

Is it SS or blued? I paid $425.00 for a blued NIB 2 years ago.

jeff2828 · March 10, 2012, 07:36 PM

Blued. Called ruger, built in 1988.

PetahW · March 11, 2012, 09:27 AM

My bad - Blued Gov't Target's are worth almost a C-note more.

Did Ruger say why your SN pefix wasn't listed on their website, when you spoke with them about the DOM ?

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gyvel · March 11, 2012, 11:28 AM

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Blued. Called ruger, built in 1988.

They must have done the "210" series as a special run, since, by the list on their own website, the guns listed as being made in 1985 start with "211," 1986-87 "212," 1988 "213," etc.

James K · March 11, 2012, 06:45 PM

The OP says the number is 210- and the Blue Book agrees. I really don't understand the problem.

Jim

gyvel · March 13, 2012, 07:35 AM

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The OP says the number is 210- and the Blue Book agrees. I really don't understand the problem.

Jim, I don't doubt the OP, but Ruger's own website doesn't even show any 210 s/n prefixes.

Also, my Blue Book (which is a couple years old) doesn't have that info, either.

On the other hand, their info may not be the best. They show by s/n that my 10/22 was made in 1965 and I know darn good and well I bought it in November, 1964. (At Rice-Grose Hardware, Gainesville, FL.)

James K · March 15, 2012, 11:21 AM

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James K · March 15, 2012, 11:29 AM

I deleted the above because I had quoted the Blue Book in violation of copyright restrictions.

To paraphrase, the BB says that the Government Target Model (MK678G) was made 1987-2004. The US marked guns were serial numbers 210-00001 to 210-18500. I can only assume that information came from Ruger.

The non-US marked values top out at $350, the US marked ones at $1000.

Jim

Pahoo · March 15, 2012, 11:33 AM

Way too much, even for a SS model but you never know these days as I'm seeing some pretty crazy things. Last year, I sold a Blued model, for $275.00. .....

Heck, you can buy a brand new MK-III Hunter for less than that. These Government models are in the same league as the Target, Competition and Slab side models. They are good but not "that" good. ....

Be Safe !!!

gyvel · March 17, 2012, 07:51 AM

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To paraphrase, the BB says that the Government Target Model (MK678G) was made 1987-2004. The US marked guns were serial numbers 210-00001 to 210-18500. I can only assume that information came from Ruger.

My Blue Book is several years old. Apparently that tidbit was added after mine was published. What editiion do you have?

I find it strange that it isn't listed on Ruger's own website, however.

James K · March 17, 2012, 08:30 PM

My BB is the 31st edition.

As to Ruger's web site, I can only suggest sending them an e-mail and asking about those contract models.

The BB also says they were for "training purposes" but I doubt that. The US has not, since the 1930's, used small bore rifles or pistols for training; regular training is done with the service rifle or pistol. Those Ruger pistols, like the High Standard and Colt pistols before them, were for use by military pistol teams in normal competition, not for training recruits.

Jim

Pahoo · March 18, 2012, 09:59 AM

One of my older Government models, came with a factory test target or target documenting of performance. Often wondered, documentation to whom? I have seen new generations that did not come with this documentation as well as other. I'm guessing that Competition models were provided with this as well. ...

Be Safe !!!

March 6, 2012, 09:05 PM	#1
jeff2828 Junior Member Join Date: March 6, 2012 Posts: 3	Ruger Markii Government Model Came across a Ruger Markii Government Target with serial 210-29469. Seller is asking $499 for 95% with a few scratches and 2 magazines. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

March 7, 2012, 10:19 AM	#4
PetahW Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Posts: 4,678	That stainless Gov't Target Model 678G Ruger Auto Pistol is worth $300 BBV, w/o the scatches. The SN's interesting, as Ruger doesn't list ANY 210-prefix SN's for ANY .22 Auto pistols. http://www.ruger.com/service/product...PI-MarkII.html . Last edited by PetahW; March 7, 2012 at 03:58 PM.

March 15, 2012, 11:33 AM	#13
Pahoo Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2006 Location: IOWA Posts: 8,783	Asking too much, so negociate Way too much, even for a SS model but you never know these days as I'm seeing some pretty crazy things. Last year, I sold a Blued model, for $275.00. ..... Heck, you can buy a brand new MK-III Hunter for less than that. These Government models are in the same league as the Target, Competition and Slab side models. They are good but not "that" good. .... Be Safe !!! __________________ 'Fundamental truths' are easy to recognize because they are verified daily through simple observation and thus, require no testing.

March 18, 2012, 09:59 AM	#16
Pahoo Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2006 Location: IOWA Posts: 8,783	Documentation to Whom One of my older Government models, came with a factory test target or target documenting of performance. Often wondered, documentation to whom? I have seen new generations that did not come with this documentation as well as other. I'm guessing that Competition models were provided with this as well. ... Be Safe !!! __________________ 'Fundamental truths' are easy to recognize because they are verified daily through simple observation and thus, require no testing.

March 6, 2012, 10:54 PM	#2
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Do you mean the gun is U.S. marked or that it is the "Government Target Model" without the "U.S." marking but in the 210 number series? My source, The Blue Book, says that the U.S. marked pistols start at serial number 210-00001 and run to 210-18500, below the number you give. U.S marked guns range in value from $300 to $1000 or so; the same model without the marking ranges from $125-$350 or so. Only some 25 of the "U.S." guns are believed to be in civilian hands. In other words, that gun with the "U.S." marking would out of the known serial number range and likely a counterfeit; without the marking, the gun is not worth anything close to $500. Jim

March 7, 2012, 12:24 AM	#3
jeff2828 Junior Member Join Date: March 6, 2012 Posts: 3	Jim, Thanks for the quick response. No "US" marking, its the civilian version "Government Target." Feels great, looks great besides the scratch, no target, no box but 2 clips. Sounds like the highest I should offer is $350. Are the older Rugers such as this one more accurate than the newer MarkIII models? Thanks again for the help.

March 7, 2012, 10:58 AM	#5
grandpajoe Member Join Date: June 10, 2011 Posts: 53	Is it SS or blued? I paid $425.00 for a blued NIB 2 years ago.

March 10, 2012, 07:36 PM	#6
jeff2828 Junior Member Join Date: March 6, 2012 Posts: 3	Blued. Called ruger, built in 1988.

March 11, 2012, 09:27 AM	#7
PetahW Senior Member Join Date: September 19, 2008 Posts: 4,678	My bad - Blued Gov't Target's are worth almost a C-note more. Did Ruger say why your SN pefix wasn't listed on their website, when you spoke with them about the DOM ? .

March 11, 2012, 06:45 PM	#9
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	The OP says the number is 210- and the Blue Book agrees. I really don't understand the problem. Jim

March 15, 2012, 11:21 AM	#11
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Deleted

March 15, 2012, 11:29 AM	#12
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	I deleted the above because I had quoted the Blue Book in violation of copyright restrictions. To paraphrase, the BB says that the Government Target Model (MK678G) was made 1987-2004. The US marked guns were serial numbers 210-00001 to 210-18500. I can only assume that information came from Ruger. The non-US marked values top out at $350, the US marked ones at $1000. Jim

March 17, 2012, 08:30 PM	#15
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	My BB is the 31st edition. As to Ruger's web site, I can only suggest sending them an e-mail and asking about those contract models. The BB also says they were for "training purposes" but I doubt that. The US has not, since the 1930's, used small bore rifles or pistols for training; regular training is done with the service rifle or pistol. Those Ruger pistols, like the High Standard and Colt pistols before them, were for use by military pistol teams in normal competition, not for training recruits. Jim