Alter ego of the NO GUNS SIGN...

hogdogs · March 26, 2009, 04:06 PM

What if business owners that are often targeted for robbery or terrorist attacks had a sign akin to this...
"WARNING ALERT ADVISO"
"The occupants and patrons of this establishment may be armed with concealed weapons!
Violence may be met with equal or greater response with vilonce!
Rob at your own risk to life and limb!"

Not that it would ever happen but I bet with a few of them street crosser dude pictures explaining it, even the illiterate punk would have a better chance of making the right choice.
Brent

chemgirlie · March 26, 2009, 04:17 PM

My ex has a sign on his bedroom door that has a business end view of a revolver with "intruders will be shot, survivors will be shot again" written underneath it.

Playboypenguin · March 26, 2009, 04:18 PM

Speaking as a business owner, the least that would happen is I would lose my insurance very quickly if I posted a sign like that. A sad sign of the times I am afraid.

Brian Pfleuger · March 26, 2009, 04:20 PM

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Speaking as a business owner, the lest that would happen is I would lose my insurance very quickly. A sad sign of the times I am afraid.

Ain't it the truth.

I do love that sign about "can you guess which three" though. That's funny.

Evan Thomas · March 26, 2009, 04:29 PM

When I bought my house, the (then) owner had one of those parking-style signs on the garage: "Protected by Smith and Wesson." Unfortunately he took it with him...

But, no, I wouldn't put any of these signs up on the front of my business, either. But the dog works pretty well... A couple of times, I've told her "Go see!" when someone has been standing outside, looking in through the door, and I didn't like their looks -- when the dog appeared, those people were GONE.

hogdogs · March 26, 2009, 04:33 PM

A biker buddy with a mechanic shop had painted in 6 inch letters on his often peeled roll up door...
"This shop now randomly patrolled by ex-vietnam vet drunken biker with guns!!!"
The break ins ended immediately! No insurance so no sweat!
As I said... I know it can never happen in most bussiness'...
My Bianchi holster I had strapped to every motorcycle I owned never had a gun in it as I never had a .357 size revolver with 4 inch barrel as I preferred semi's... but an empty holster is a scary thing to some punk. More than once I was asked in the bar or other gathering "Who owns the Guzzi or "bike with a holster on it?" Most times I would acknowledge and when I did I often got a look of... "Leave that guy alone" or a wink...
Brent

Glenn E. Meyer · March 26, 2009, 04:51 PM

This is the dreaded legal risk thread. If the shoot is ambiguous or if you shoot an innocent because you aren't the dead-eyed shot that most on the Internet claim - the sign may make you look nutsy-koo-koo and help the criminal or civil jury do evil to you.

Remember gun stores and banks with armed guards have been robbed. If someone knows you have guns, then they might think you have something even more valuable and then plan to take you out.

hogdogs · March 26, 2009, 04:56 PM

Yes it was one of them idealist thoughts I had and I remember a gunstore being robbed that had marked patrol car outside as an officer shopped... Funny thing was the nearly PRO 2A news channel said they would never know which of the 15 or 17 bullets of a variety of calibers killed the robber who never got a shot off!

Brent

Glenn E. Meyer · March 26, 2009, 05:14 PM

Near where I work there was a gun store, it was robbed and the owner got into a furious gun fight with the robbers. He carried the day but eventually had to move out of the area due to gang harassment, IIRC.

Ayoob has written about this one. And there have been successful gun shop robberies.

My point - do you get more safety out of having a concealed weapon or deterrence from the sign vs. the risk of the sign.

divemedic · March 26, 2009, 05:32 PM

How about:

Warning
State law allows citizens to meet force with force, and authorizes the use of deadly force to prevent a forcible felony. Armed robbers should consider this fact before robbing this or any other business in this state.

Nikop23 · March 26, 2009, 05:39 PM

What if it is just implied? lol

Thiis is one of my current favorites

I know it is more of a political statement, but one could extrapolate that the owner may use deadly force

shortwave · March 26, 2009, 05:45 PM

Or: The OWNER and PATRONS of this establishment BELIEVE in the 2nd AMENDMENT and the RIGHT to CONCEAL ARMS.

Darryl1928 · March 27, 2009, 02:58 PM

One of my favorite restaurants had the don't beware of dog sign but they took it down. Strangely enough I stopped going to the restaurant as much as I used to.

csmsss · March 27, 2009, 03:02 PM

Those signs are quaint, but...not sure if forewarning potential miscreants that there are firearms inside the premises is a great idea - unless someone is always there, a bad guy can simply case the place and choose a time when no one is there to enter and steal your firearms.

Kitgun · March 27, 2009, 07:48 PM

But the signs are a-OK at gun shows. There is a great thread on the subject in General Discussion section.

Crosshair · March 27, 2009, 08:50 PM

Nikop23

My boss has one of those on his car. He's the owner too, so he sets the rules.

gretske · March 27, 2009, 10:20 PM

Why would you warn bad guys that you are armed? Keep 'em guessing and you have the edge of uncertainty.

hogdogs · March 28, 2009, 11:37 AM

I don't mean to say that the sticker says there is a concealed wepon on premises just that the risk to a robber may outweigh the reward.
Brent

yourang? · March 31, 2009, 01:26 PM

it's like the "beware of dog" sign that you put up

if your dog happens to bite some one, the lawyer
(for the bitten person) will say: see....they knew the dog
was dangerous!

and you are screwed

best not to telegraph your intentions that can be easily misconstrued

IANOL (i am not a lawyer) so best taken with the customary grain
or three of salt

blume357 · March 31, 2009, 07:03 PM

heck in every gun store I go in around here the employees open carry... so if you don't see the sign you are going to figure it out pretty dern quick.

If I ran a store that let the public in... what I would put up is:

"No illegal weapons allowed!"

that would solve all problems......

hogdogs · March 31, 2009, 07:12 PM

yourang, In many areas if you own a dog of known protective/viscous breeds and do not post the sign and it bites someone, the attorney will say, as they prosecute/sue you, "the owner of this man killer dog failed to warn the nefarious thug that he was gonna be attacked and mauled if they chose to victimize this homeowner"...

"If only my poor client had been warned...."
Brent

Evan Thomas · April 1, 2009, 02:25 PM

For the dog issue... the one I like just says "Notice: Dog on Premises"

"Yessir, Your Honor, that guy should've known there was a dog in my house. But I never thought she'd bite anyone..."

"No illegal weapons allowed!" isn't bad, either... but I'm still not going to post one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hogdogs

a dog of known protective/viscous breeds

Eeewww. That would be... a Portuguese slime spaniel?

armedandsafe · April 1, 2009, 08:17 PM

Several new signs went up in town this week. I don't know the reason for them, but I don't mind them.

"NO DISPLAYED WEAPONS ALLOWED"

Pops

March 26, 2009, 04:06 PM	#1
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Alter ego of the NO GUNS SIGN... What if business owners that are often targeted for robbery or terrorist attacks had a sign akin to this... "WARNING ALERT ADVISO" "The occupants and patrons of this establishment may be armed with concealed weapons! Violence may be met with equal or greater response with vilonce! Rob at your own risk to life and limb!" Not that it would ever happen but I bet with a few of them street crosser dude pictures explaining it, even the illiterate punk would have a better chance of making the right choice. Brent

March 26, 2009, 04:29 PM	#5
Evan Thomas Senior Member Join Date: July 7, 2008 Location: Upper midwest Posts: 5,631	When I bought my house, the (then) owner had one of those parking-style signs on the garage: "Protected by Smith and Wesson." Unfortunately he took it with him... But, no, I wouldn't put any of these signs up on the front of my business, either. But the dog works pretty well... A couple of times, I've told her "Go see!" when someone has been standing outside, looking in through the door, and I didn't like their looks -- when the dog appeared, those people were GONE. __________________ Never let anything mechanical know you're in a hurry.

March 26, 2009, 04:51 PM	#7
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	This is the dreaded legal risk thread. If the shoot is ambiguous or if you shoot an innocent because you aren't the dead-eyed shot that most on the Internet claim - the sign may make you look nutsy-koo-koo and help the criminal or civil jury do evil to you. Remember gun stores and banks with armed guards have been robbed. If someone knows you have guns, then they might think you have something even more valuable and then plan to take you out. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

March 26, 2009, 05:14 PM	#9
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Near where I work there was a gun store, it was robbed and the owner got into a furious gun fight with the robbers. He carried the day but eventually had to move out of the area due to gang harassment, IIRC. Ayoob has written about this one. And there have been successful gun shop robberies. My point - do you get more safety out of having a concealed weapon or deterrence from the sign vs. the risk of the sign. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

March 26, 2009, 05:32 PM	#10
divemedic Senior Member Join Date: August 12, 2006 Posts: 1,310	How about: Warning State law allows citizens to meet force with force, and authorizes the use of deadly force to prevent a forcible felony. Armed robbers should consider this fact before robbing this or any other business in this state. __________________ Caveat Emperor

March 26, 2009, 04:17 PM	#2
chemgirlie Senior Member Join Date: February 3, 2009 Location: WI Posts: 331	My ex has a sign on his bedroom door that has a business end view of a revolver with "intruders will be shot, survivors will be shot again" written underneath it.

March 26, 2009, 04:18 PM	#3
Playboypenguin Junior member Join Date: February 27, 2006 Location: Great Pacific Northwest Posts: 11,515	Speaking as a business owner, the least that would happen is I would lose my insurance very quickly if I posted a sign like that. A sad sign of the times I am afraid.

March 26, 2009, 04:33 PM	#6
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	A biker buddy with a mechanic shop had painted in 6 inch letters on his often peeled roll up door... "This shop now randomly patrolled by ex-vietnam vet drunken biker with guns!!!" The break ins ended immediately! No insurance so no sweat! As I said... I know it can never happen in most bussiness'... My Bianchi holster I had strapped to every motorcycle I owned never had a gun in it as I never had a .357 size revolver with 4 inch barrel as I preferred semi's... but an empty holster is a scary thing to some punk. More than once I was asked in the bar or other gathering "Who owns the Guzzi or "bike with a holster on it?" Most times I would acknowledge and when I did I often got a look of... "Leave that guy alone" or a wink... Brent

March 26, 2009, 04:56 PM	#8
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	Yes it was one of them idealist thoughts I had and I remember a gunstore being robbed that had marked patrol car outside as an officer shopped... Funny thing was the nearly PRO 2A news channel said they would never know which of the 15 or 17 bullets of a variety of calibers killed the robber who never got a shot off! Brent

March 26, 2009, 05:39 PM	#11
Nikop23 Member Join Date: March 17, 2009 Posts: 80	What if it is just implied? lol Thiis is one of my current favorites I know it is more of a political statement, but one could extrapolate that the owner may use deadly force __________________ Between First and third, there is a Second

March 26, 2009, 05:45 PM	#12
shortwave Senior Member Join Date: December 17, 2007 Location: SOUTHEAST, OHIO Posts: 5,970	Or: The OWNER and PATRONS of this establishment BELIEVE in the 2nd AMENDMENT and the RIGHT to CONCEAL ARMS. Last edited by shortwave; March 26, 2009 at 05:52 PM.

March 27, 2009, 02:58 PM	#13
Darryl1928 Junior Member Join Date: March 27, 2009 Posts: 2	One of my favorite restaurants had the don't beware of dog sign but they took it down. Strangely enough I stopped going to the restaurant as much as I used to. __________________ Obama's Gun Control - 1 million people on no fly list should lose 2nd amendment rights

March 27, 2009, 03:02 PM	#14
csmsss Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Orange, TX Posts: 3,078	Those signs are quaint, but...not sure if forewarning potential miscreants that there are firearms inside the premises is a great idea - unless someone is always there, a bad guy can simply case the place and choose a time when no one is there to enter and steal your firearms.

March 27, 2009, 07:48 PM	#15
Kitgun Member Join Date: March 23, 2002 Location: Haslett Mi. USA Posts: 62	But the signs are a-OK at gun shows. There is a great thread on the subject in General Discussion section.

March 27, 2009, 08:50 PM	#16
Crosshair Senior Member Join Date: December 16, 2004 Location: Grand Forks, ND Posts: 5,333	Nikop23 My boss has one of those on his car. He's the owner too, so he sets the rules. __________________ I don't carry a gun to go looking for trouble, I carry a gun in case trouble finds me.

March 27, 2009, 10:20 PM	#17
gretske Junior member Join Date: May 3, 2008 Location: Lake Murray, SC Posts: 182	Why would you warn bad guys that you are armed? Keep 'em guessing and you have the edge of uncertainty.

March 28, 2009, 11:37 AM	#18
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	I don't mean to say that the sticker says there is a concealed wepon on premises just that the risk to a robber may outweigh the reward. Brent

March 31, 2009, 01:26 PM	#19
yourang? Senior Member Join Date: January 17, 2008 Location: ex upstate ny...now free Posts: 119	it's like the "beware of dog" sign that you put up if your dog happens to bite some one, the lawyer (for the bitten person) will say: see....they knew the dog was dangerous! and you are screwed best not to telegraph your intentions that can be easily misconstrued IANOL (i am not a lawyer) so best taken with the customary grain or three of salt

March 31, 2009, 07:03 PM	#20
blume357 Senior Member Join Date: August 2, 2005 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 3,943	I don't see a problem with advertising the fact... heck in every gun store I go in around here the employees open carry... so if you don't see the sign you are going to figure it out pretty dern quick. If I ran a store that let the public in... what I would put up is: "No illegal weapons allowed!" that would solve all problems......

March 31, 2009, 07:12 PM	#21
hogdogs Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 31, 2007 Location: Western Florida panhandle Posts: 11,069	yourang, In many areas if you own a dog of known protective/viscous breeds and do not post the sign and it bites someone, the attorney will say, as they prosecute/sue you, "the owner of this man killer dog failed to warn the nefarious thug that he was gonna be attacked and mauled if they chose to victimize this homeowner"... "If only my poor client had been warned...." Brent

April 1, 2009, 08:17 PM	#23
armedandsafe Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2005 Location: Moses Lake WA Posts: 1,001	Several new signs went up in town this week. I don't know the reason for them, but I don't mind them. "NO DISPLAYED WEAPONS ALLOWED" Pops __________________ Armed and Safe: Not just a theory If it time to bury them, it is time to dig them up. Remember, "Behind every blade of grass."