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February 11, 2017, 09:01 PM | #26 | |
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Not that I was ever one of them, but I'm sure the people using these guns for their intended purpose are thinking of the task at hand, not whether lube "A" is preforming well or whether tacticool bull-CENSORED--CENSORED--CENSORED--CENSORED- "B" is good enough. It's a bullet launcher, a tool to accomplish a task and a stock Ruger AR off the wall of the local gunstore does the exact same thing as a top of the line Daniel Defense AR decked out in all the latest crap. If people spent the money on ammo instead of nonsense they might be able to shoot better. However, some people just like guns, and aren't very interested in marksmanship or shooting in general for that matter.
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February 13, 2017, 02:07 AM | #27 |
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It's all about your intended use, and user preference.
Most "fighting carbine" set-ups include an optic and a light. Modern red-dots or low variable-power scopes are faster to use than irons. That said, the GI irons will serve you well from 0-500yds, if you do your part. Lights are nice if you might shoot in areas with dim/no lighting. Extended latches help if you added stuff up top that obstructs the area around the charging handle (like big scopes), or the BCM version is designed to withstand more abuse from one side (the original design is prone to breakage after several thousand one-sided racks). Add a sling, if you want to carry it a bunch. Grips may or may not improve comfort or presentation speed, depending on the circumstances. IR lasers are cool, if you have NVGs, and are shooting in the dark...which is pretty much nobody but predator control and the military. Extended controls may make things easier to operate in a hurry, but also risk snagging. Things like the BAD make one-handed operation easier. Personally, I try to stop after adding an optic, light, sling, and maybe foregrip. |
February 13, 2017, 08:32 AM | #28 |
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Personally, I don't like the standard stock on the AR - so that would be something I replaced more for comfort.
I also used a stainless steel charging handle in one of my builds - I've never bent a charging handle, but for some reason that concerned me. I find I prefer kind of rail system rather than polymer hand guards I also like the "end cap" that screws into the rail system for a more completed look - doesn't do anything for function. Optics or Irons, your choice. |
February 13, 2017, 11:22 AM | #29 | |
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There are plenty of AR-15s built to serve as hunting rifles, competition guns, target rifles, defensive carbines, pest elimination rifles, general use truck guns, and .22LR plinking guns. Its modular design and proven reliability is what allows this. The notion that all AR-15s are "fighting guns" just plays into media fantasy. |
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February 13, 2017, 12:17 PM | #30 | ||
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You don't need an extended charging handle to rack an AR on just one side. An extended charging handle just makes it a little easier, that's it. Here's the thing: Most of the things people add to their AR-15 don't change the way the rifle operates. They simply make it easier to attach accessories or they make it a little more ergonomic. But the idea that you have to heavily modify an AR-15 for it to be a functional fighting rifle is simply wrong.
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February 13, 2017, 12:37 PM | #31 |
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The stock AR is most certainly GTG.
I prefer some of those add-ons.... just like my pizza, add some extra cheese, sauce and ham... and I like it better then the "stock" pizza. |
February 13, 2017, 01:16 PM | #32 |
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Learning to properly use a weapon is the most important thing you can do. A bunch of doo dads aren't going to make you Rambo. Good shooter/operator with a simple gun beats a poor shooter/operator with a decked out gun any day.
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https://youtu.be/1uFYWGCctKM All an extended charging handle does is make it a little easier to grip the charging handle latch quickly. Now, if you're left handed an ambidextrous charging handle can be helpful, but it's not 100% necessary. A left-hander can rack a standard charging handle with his right hand by tilting the rifle to the right and reaching over. With practice, this is pretty quick and easy (unless you have a scope in the way).
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February 15, 2017, 07:35 AM | #35 |
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I don't think new gun owners should be relying on YouTube for info until they have a general idea right from wrong. I suggest OP take a class ASAP.
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It's similar to the "inspection arms" drill motion you learn in Marine Corps boot camp: https://youtu.be/6XWAOWLyleU The part in this drill movement where you pull back the charging handle is really hard for recruits to do at first, even the stronger ones. The reason for this is that it's difficult at first to get the angle correct; you have to make sure you're pulling straight back along the length of the rifle and not wasting energy by pulling at the wrong angle. Racking an AR with your off-hand is the same way: Once you figure out the correct motion, it's easy. I have a female coworker who is 5'11" and weighs 120 lbs. and she has no problem doing it. (On a side note, racking the slide on a pistol is the same principle: Do it properly and it's a lot easier. I know and work with a lot of instructors, and they all tell me that with the proper technique anyone who's not disabled in some way can rack almost any semi-auto handgun. The thing is, many people use a poor technique but make up for it by just using extra hand or arm strength.)
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It's all about what your battlespace requires. As an operator, you must choose what your platform needs to engage tangos. It all has to do with how you operate, but no, a stock AR is in no way shape or form usable as a tactical battle system as is. That's why tactical accessories were invented, and you should buy them.
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February 15, 2017, 07:25 PM | #39 |
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I like to bring some eye drops and hand lotion into my battlespace. Sometimes my trigger finger gets itchy and dry. Not a good thing when engaging tangos.
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February 15, 2017, 08:33 PM | #40 |
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So I call the operator and dance the tango, but what do I do with the salsa I brought?
Don't worry about being "tactical". Tactical simply means relating to a tactic. If your tactic is to eliminate coyotes, have a gun by your bed for home emergencies, shoot targets, etc, then tactical is whatever is conducive to your goals. The "operator" nonsense is just that. The only people who can rightfully call themselves operators probably don't and most likely don't go on internet forums asking about that kind of thing, so that's a moot point.
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February 15, 2017, 10:11 PM | #41 |
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Somehow the term "general purpose" was replaced with the word "tactical"
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Oddly enough I was just looking through an American Rifleman magazine from December 1963.
On page 32- so those of you with the old magazine can play along with the home version of the game- there's a 2/3rd page bit on "AR-15 PROCUREMENT" which starts off by saying that the US Army contract for the AR-15 was 104,000 rifles. Granted, exactly what the military's rifle is has changed a bit. But I note a distinct lack of photos here. My un-tactical Colt: |
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I have a Colt 6920 inbound. I will keep it stock until something compels me to change it.
I might mount a light (for safety, should I promote my M4 to home-defense) and a red-dot (for fun, and, if SHTF, rapid target acquisition). But the bare M16A1 I carried in Vietnam got the job done, amply, so I shall be content to (re)master my iron-sights in the next little while.
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February 24, 2017, 02:45 PM | #46 |
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the charging handle is rarely copied on other rifles, maybe that is a hint?
I don't have extensive experience with m16/ar15 platform but have fired one and just don't really care for the charging handle any design that make you unable to cycle it with maintaining a proper checkweld is not ergonomic IMO |
February 24, 2017, 02:56 PM | #47 |
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That's the kicker with ARs, that dang charging handle placement.
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