Comparison: CZ-512 rifle with CZ-512 Carbine.

aarondhgraham · January 28, 2017, 01:16 PM

Comparison: CZ-512 rifle with CZ-512 Carbine.

I've owned the CZ-512 Carbine for a while now,,,
It's a delightful rifle to own and shoot,,,
I named her Valentina.

But, she was lonely so I purchased the full size 512 rifle,,,
Can't have poor Val weeping in the dark of the safe.

But seriously, I bought the second simply because I wanted to own it as well.

Here is a picture of them both,,,
With the handguns I've chosen to pair them with.

So far I have found these differences and similarities:

The rifle shipped with one 5 round magazine,,,
The carbine shipped with one 10 round magazine.

The actions seem to be identical in form and function,,,
Neither holds the bolt open after the last shot.

The rifle has a 20" barrel while the carbine is just over 16",,,
The carbine is threaded for a suppressor,,,
The rifle is not.

The rear sights are different,,,
Both are very easy to view and aim with,,,
The rifle is listed as simply "adjustable" but needs a screwdriver,,,
The carbine is listed as a "tangent" sight adjustable from 25 to 200 meters.

The front sights are different,,,
They both have the same ramp and hood,,,
The rifle has a black steel blade while the carbine is a red fiber optic.

The fore-stocks seem identical,,
The rear stocks have the same length of pull,,,
But you can see in the picture that the contour of the top edge is different.

That's all I can think of right now,,,
I think the obvious thing is the carbine is quicker to point,,,
While the rifle will probably be easier to aim and hit with at longer distances.

I'm pairing the rifle with a Browning Buckmark Hunter,,,
I'm pairing the carbine with a S&W 22A,,,
I believe they'll be very range-chic.

I went to the range this morning to function check the rifle,,,
Off of a plastic MTM rest I put 20 rounds in or touching a 1.5" spot at 50 yards.

The test target that came with the rifle had five rounds at 50 meters,,,
I completely covered the holes with a nickel.

I alibi the difference with the cold temps this morning,,,
And my 65 year old eyes.

Now I have to make two slings and two belt holster rigs,,,
Can't be the fashion plate of the range without matching accessories.

Aarond

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T. O'Heir · January 29, 2017, 02:43 PM

Sole difference is the barrel length and the resulting difference in weight. That's a whole .6 of a pound. Oh and the slight difference in velocity.
Don't expect all of 'em to shoot the same ammo well either. The rifle may not even cycle the action with ammo the carbine shoots like gang busters. Ditto for both pistols. .22's are just like that.

aarondhgraham · January 30, 2017, 10:11 AM

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Sole difference is the barrel length and the resulting difference in weight.

I would have thought so as well,,,
But the different sights and shape of the stock are definitely there.

I would have thought the only difference would be the length,,,
But for some reason they decided to make them differently.

Go figure,,,

Aarond

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hammie · January 30, 2017, 04:00 PM

@aarondhgraham: Thanks for your range report. It's timely for me because I just bought a CZ 512, chambered for .22 WMR. I haven't fired it yet, because I haven't scoped it. I can't decide on a 2-7X or a 3-9X. I have never gone beyond a 2-7X for a .22 LR, because I figure the 7X more than adequately served the range of the .22 LR. I'm just wondering if the extra range of the .22 WMR is worth the higher power of a 3-9X, and if the rifle has the usable accuracy.

From your experience, the 512 may have better accuracy than I expected. You said you got 1.5 inch, 20 shot groups. I found a site which correlates mean average group size to different number of shots and for different ranges. In any case, from their graph, your group would shrink to about 3/4 inch for a 3 shot, 50 yard group. That's pretty darn good for a .22, using iron sights (and says a lot for the shooter's skill).

I'm also curious about the rifle's reliability, and it would be appreciated if you could share your experience with the reliability and function of the 512.

One thing I don't like about my 512, is that the magazines are expensive, and seem pretty thin and flimsy. Although I guess they are reliable and durable. I haven't found any complaints about them, so far.

aarondhgraham · January 31, 2017, 12:14 PM

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In any case, from their graph, your group would shrink to about 3/4 inch for a 3 shot, 50 yard group. That's pretty darn good for a .22, using iron sights (and says a lot for the shooter's skill).

Well now,,,
Thanks for the compliment.

But,,,
That group I shot was at 50 yards, not 100.

In any event though,,,
I believe the rifle has more precision than my 65 year old eyes can utilize.

I haven't fired enough rounds to make an informed comment on the reliability,,,
But so far I've not experienced one malfunction of any kind,,,
And I was using some pretty crappy ammo,,,
Remington Golden Bullets.

Aarond

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hammie · January 31, 2017, 12:58 PM

@aarondhgraham: Thanks for the response. I was aware that you were shooting at 50 yds. The formulae and graphs, which I found, allow you to correlate for either or both, range and/or number of shots in a group. All I did was correlate to number of shots, and so the 3/4 inch still stands.

Looking forward to trying my CZ 512 out. I hope it is as accurate and reliable as yours. From some scouting at rimfirecentral, the experience there seems to mirror yours.

Still undecided about the scope. Just my opinion, but I think that sometimes there is a tendency to over glass, particularly on .22 LR's. I'm always puzzled when I see a 6-20X sitting on a .22. but if that's what you want and are having fun, then go for it.

aarondhgraham · January 31, 2017, 01:27 PM

I have a few scoped rifles,,,
Most are a 3x9x40.

Mainly because they are commonly found in my price range,,,
But I also agree with you that a 2x7 is usually plenty,,,
In fact, Mine almost always sit at 5-6 power.

Aarond

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TnTnTn · January 31, 2017, 09:20 PM

Timely post-I have a 512 American wmr on the way and plan on using a Nikon P22 2-7x in BKL rings. I have a couple of .22 WMR bolt rifles but have wanted a semi for a long while. At certain times in TN we must use a rimfire or shotgun for coyote and fast repeat shots may be needed for coyotes. Looking at the semiauto .22 WMR rifles available, the CZ 512 looks like the best choice. Hope mine is a shooter!

aarondhgraham · February 2, 2017, 01:24 PM

I find it interesting that the majority of the people I meet who own a 512 have it in .22 WMR.

Is it because there aren't that many .22 Mag semi-auto rifles out there?

Actually, the only other I know of is the Savage A22,,,
What other semi's are out there in .22 Mag?

Aarond

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hammie · February 2, 2017, 10:34 PM

@aarondhgraham: I think you answered your own question. The Ruger 10/22 and the Remington 597 were chambered in .22 WMR, but no more. Volquartsen and Magnum Research makes a .22 WMR autoloader, but they're not so common, at least in my circle. That leaves the CZ 512 and the Savage A22 as the only commonly produced sporting rifles in .22 WMR. I know you shouldn't believe everything on the internet, but when I searched different rimfire forums for the experiences with the savage A22, There were a lot of negative comments and little to none positive ones. I know it is a new rifle and maybe savage has worked out the purported bugs. In any case, I chose the CZ 512. So far, I like the build quality of the CZ, but not so much the spongy trigger. However, if I can get used to the spongy trigger on my Remingotn 7400 and 7600, then I guess I can get used to the CZ's.

January 28, 2017, 01:16 PM	#1
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	Comparison: CZ-512 rifle with CZ-512 Carbine. Comparison: CZ-512 rifle with CZ-512 Carbine. I've owned the CZ-512 Carbine for a while now,,, It's a delightful rifle to own and shoot,,, I named her Valentina. But, she was lonely so I purchased the full size 512 rifle,,, Can't have poor Val weeping in the dark of the safe. But seriously, I bought the second simply because I wanted to own it as well. Here is a picture of them both,,, With the handguns I've chosen to pair them with. So far I have found these differences and similarities: The rifle shipped with one 5 round magazine,,, The carbine shipped with one 10 round magazine. The actions seem to be identical in form and function,,, Neither holds the bolt open after the last shot. The rifle has a 20" barrel while the carbine is just over 16",,, The carbine is threaded for a suppressor,,, The rifle is not. The rear sights are different,,, Both are very easy to view and aim with,,, The rifle is listed as simply "adjustable" but needs a screwdriver,,, The carbine is listed as a "tangent" sight adjustable from 25 to 200 meters. The front sights are different,,, They both have the same ramp and hood,,, The rifle has a black steel blade while the carbine is a red fiber optic. The fore-stocks seem identical,, The rear stocks have the same length of pull,,, But you can see in the picture that the contour of the top edge is different. That's all I can think of right now,,, I think the obvious thing is the carbine is quicker to point,,, While the rifle will probably be easier to aim and hit with at longer distances. I'm pairing the rifle with a Browning Buckmark Hunter,,, I'm pairing the carbine with a S&W 22A,,, I believe they'll be very range-chic. I went to the range this morning to function check the rifle,,, Off of a plastic MTM rest I put 20 rounds in or touching a 1.5" spot at 50 yards. The test target that came with the rifle had five rounds at 50 meters,,, I completely covered the holes with a nickel. I alibi the difference with the cold temps this morning,,, And my 65 year old eyes. Now I have to make two slings and two belt holster rigs,,, Can't be the fashion plate of the range without matching accessories. Aarond . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

January 29, 2017, 02:43 PM	#2
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	Sole difference is the barrel length and the resulting difference in weight. That's a whole .6 of a pound. Oh and the slight difference in velocity. Don't expect all of 'em to shoot the same ammo well either. The rifle may not even cycle the action with ammo the carbine shoots like gang busters. Ditto for both pistols. .22's are just like that. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

January 31, 2017, 01:27 PM	#7
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	I agree about the optics,,, I have a few scoped rifles,,, Most are a 3x9x40. Mainly because they are commonly found in my price range,,, But I also agree with you that a 2x7 is usually plenty,,, In fact, Mine almost always sit at 5-6 power. Aarond . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

February 2, 2017, 01:24 PM	#9
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	About the WMR version,,, I find it interesting that the majority of the people I meet who own a 512 have it in .22 WMR. Is it because there aren't that many .22 Mag semi-auto rifles out there? Actually, the only other I know of is the Savage A22,,, What other semi's are out there in .22 Mag? Aarond . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

January 30, 2017, 04:00 PM	#4
hammie Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Location: Temple, TX Posts: 959	@aarondhgraham: Thanks for your range report. It's timely for me because I just bought a CZ 512, chambered for .22 WMR. I haven't fired it yet, because I haven't scoped it. I can't decide on a 2-7X or a 3-9X. I have never gone beyond a 2-7X for a .22 LR, because I figure the 7X more than adequately served the range of the .22 LR. I'm just wondering if the extra range of the .22 WMR is worth the higher power of a 3-9X, and if the rifle has the usable accuracy. From your experience, the 512 may have better accuracy than I expected. You said you got 1.5 inch, 20 shot groups. I found a site which correlates mean average group size to different number of shots and for different ranges. In any case, from their graph, your group would shrink to about 3/4 inch for a 3 shot, 50 yard group. That's pretty darn good for a .22, using iron sights (and says a lot for the shooter's skill). I'm also curious about the rifle's reliability, and it would be appreciated if you could share your experience with the reliability and function of the 512. One thing I don't like about my 512, is that the magazines are expensive, and seem pretty thin and flimsy. Although I guess they are reliable and durable. I haven't found any complaints about them, so far.

January 31, 2017, 12:58 PM	#6
hammie Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Location: Temple, TX Posts: 959	@aarondhgraham: Thanks for the response. I was aware that you were shooting at 50 yds. The formulae and graphs, which I found, allow you to correlate for either or both, range and/or number of shots in a group. All I did was correlate to number of shots, and so the 3/4 inch still stands. Looking forward to trying my CZ 512 out. I hope it is as accurate and reliable as yours. From some scouting at rimfirecentral, the experience there seems to mirror yours. Still undecided about the scope. Just my opinion, but I think that sometimes there is a tendency to over glass, particularly on .22 LR's. I'm always puzzled when I see a 6-20X sitting on a .22. but if that's what you want and are having fun, then go for it.

January 31, 2017, 09:20 PM	#8
TnTnTn Senior Member Join Date: June 2, 2013 Location: Middle TN Posts: 140	Timely post-I have a 512 American wmr on the way and plan on using a Nikon P22 2-7x in BKL rings. I have a couple of .22 WMR bolt rifles but have wanted a semi for a long while. At certain times in TN we must use a rimfire or shotgun for coyote and fast repeat shots may be needed for coyotes. Looking at the semiauto .22 WMR rifles available, the CZ 512 looks like the best choice. Hope mine is a shooter!

February 2, 2017, 10:34 PM	#10
hammie Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2009 Location: Temple, TX Posts: 959	@aarondhgraham: I think you answered your own question. The Ruger 10/22 and the Remington 597 were chambered in .22 WMR, but no more. Volquartsen and Magnum Research makes a .22 WMR autoloader, but they're not so common, at least in my circle. That leaves the CZ 512 and the Savage A22 as the only commonly produced sporting rifles in .22 WMR. I know you shouldn't believe everything on the internet, but when I searched different rimfire forums for the experiences with the savage A22, There were a lot of negative comments and little to none positive ones. I know it is a new rifle and maybe savage has worked out the purported bugs. In any case, I chose the CZ 512. So far, I like the build quality of the CZ, but not so much the spongy trigger. However, if I can get used to the spongy trigger on my Remingotn 7400 and 7600, then I guess I can get used to the CZ's.