.38 Wadcutters - Page 3

David R · January 29, 2019, 04:33 PM

I understood it the first time.

David

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USSR · January 29, 2019, 07:13 PM

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The center of the bullets was blowing out

Okay, so I measured a Speer HBWC. OAL is about 0.670", and the hollowbase tapers down into about 0.370" of that. That leaves a solid chunk of lead of a dimension of .358" x .300". Sorry, but I ain't buying that a substandard load of Bullseye is blowing thru that.

Don

dgludwig · January 29, 2019, 07:40 PM

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Sorry, but I ain't buying that a substandard load of Bullseye is blowing thru that.

A well-respected and acknowledged expert and author regarding ammunition and reloading for over fifty years vs doubting internet wannabes-guess whose opinions and experiences I'm buying and whose I ain't.

USSR · January 29, 2019, 07:44 PM

Well, all I can say is "experts" have been wrong. Believe what you want, but something is fishy here.

Don

Jim Watson · January 30, 2019, 02:18 PM

Read the cite. It was not a Speer or other name brand hollowpoint, it was an already extinct off brand. Who knows the hollow dimensions or the quality of lead.

ThomasT · January 30, 2019, 04:07 PM

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I did the same, casting a Lee 148 gr wadcutter. tumble lubed and would seat them and crimp into the groove. Works great. Looks a bit funny. I have a friend who shoots a model 52, he wanted to try some of mine and of course they did not cycle.

I load the same bullet the same way. About a 1/4" sticking out of the case mouth. They will cycle through my Marlin lever action that way. In a couple of my revolvers with tighter throats you have to push them in place but they shoot good groups.

USSR · January 30, 2019, 07:30 PM

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Read the cite. It was not a Speer or other name brand hollowpoint, it was an already extinct off brand. Who knows the hollow dimensions or the quality of lead.

All well and good, Jim. But the poster seems to be lumping all HBWC's together with:
"After reading this account all those many years ago, I have used only solid base wadcutter bullets when reloading for Bullseye competition, whether warranted or not".
Definitely not warranted and HBWC's used correctly are perfectly safe.

Don

Jim Watson · January 30, 2019, 11:59 PM

True.
But ol' Ken leaned to solids in ..38 Special, too.
(The quote on blown through HBWC is from shooting an Indian police contract overrun Ruger Service Six .38/200 = .38 S&W.).

rodfac · January 31, 2019, 04:33 PM

USSR, I've been casting WC's for the past week and can send you some if you like, for your experiments. It's the Lyman mold #35891. (Bevel Base, 3 lube grooves, and a crimping groove, with about 0.010" plus button above the crimp groove. It weighs ~145 gr from my alloy.

Currently I'm using an ACWW alloy with ~2% tin added for mold fill out. I can size/lube (50-50 or LLA) them as necessary, and have a bunch already to go at 0.359". I do have H&I dies for my Lyman 450 in 0.356", 0.357", 0.358", 0.359" & 0.360". Let me know, Don, if you're interested. Rod

USSR · January 31, 2019, 07:31 PM

Rod,

Thanks for your generous offer, however, I've got that mould myself. The testing I want to do involves HBWC's, and the ones I still need are: Hornady, Zero, and Precision Delta. Thanks again.

Don

January 29, 2019, 07:44 PM	#54
USSR Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2017 Location: Finger Lakes Region of NY Posts: 1,442	Well, all I can say is "experts" have been wrong. Believe what you want, but something is fishy here. Don __________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor

January 31, 2019, 04:33 PM	#59
rodfac Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,624	USSR, I've been casting WC's for the past week and can send you some if you like, for your experiments. It's the Lyman mold #35891. (Bevel Base, 3 lube grooves, and a crimping groove, with about 0.010" plus button above the crimp groove. It weighs ~145 gr from my alloy. Currently I'm using an ACWW alloy with ~2% tin added for mold fill out. I can size/lube (50-50 or LLA) them as necessary, and have a bunch already to go at 0.359". I do have H&I dies for my Lyman 450 in 0.356", 0.357", 0.358", 0.359" & 0.360". Let me know, Don, if you're interested. Rod __________________ Cherish our flag, honor it, defend it in word and deed, or get the hell out. Our Bill of Rights has been paid for by heros in uniform and shall not be diluted by misguided governmental social experiments. We owe this to our children, anything less is cowardice. USAF FAC, 5th Spl Forces, Vietnam Vet '69-'73.

January 31, 2019, 07:31 PM	#60
USSR Senior Member Join Date: November 14, 2017 Location: Finger Lakes Region of NY Posts: 1,442	Rod, Thanks for your generous offer, however, I've got that mould myself. The testing I want to do involves HBWC's, and the ones I still need are: Hornady, Zero, and Precision Delta. Thanks again. Don __________________ NRA Life Member NRA Certified Metallic Cartridge Reloading Instructor

January 29, 2019, 04:33 PM	#51
David R Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2015 Location: The swamps of WNY Posts: 753	I understood it the first time. David Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

January 30, 2019, 02:18 PM	#55
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,543	Read the cite. It was not a Speer or other name brand hollowpoint, it was an already extinct off brand. Who knows the hollow dimensions or the quality of lead.

January 30, 2019, 11:59 PM	#58
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,543	True. But ol' Ken leaned to solids in ..38 Special, too. (The quote on blown through HBWC is from shooting an Indian police contract overrun Ruger Service Six .38/200 = .38 S&W.).