Ultramag shotgun for Nightcrawler

Solitar · July 10, 2001, 03:40 PM

Nightcrawler, and others desirous of an ultramag shotgun.

To be honest, shotgun shells have not had any significant development compared to what's happened in the centerfire rifle and handgun development. Comparable development would do for 10 gauge what 3 1/2" did for 12 gauge. Since 10 gauge 3 1/2" shells can not be developed for higher pressures - because of older guns...

How about a 4 inch, 10 gauge ultramag shotgun?
Either semi-auto to absorb recoil or a heavy double-barreled goose gun?

This round could also be used in the Heavy Support Automatic Shotgun.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...threadid=71918

It could also be more effective at 100 yards - an ongoing discussion here.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...threadid=70028

It would be a *legal* alternative to a 4 gauge shotgun.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...threadid=71803

Build it for the same pressures as the 3 1/2" 12 gauge.

With 2 1/2 oz of shot at 1400 fps it would have about the same muzzle energy as a 458 Win. Mag. or just shy of a 470 Nitro Express

Glamdring · July 14, 2001, 07:32 AM

hmmm...and what about slugs and maybe a rifled slug barrel?

Dead · July 17, 2001, 09:39 AM

All I can say is OUCH!!!! Those heavy 10ga Loads are painful!! They have more recoil then a 458WinMag.

2.25 oz of 4's out of a 10ga hurts (Win Double X Mag Turkey Loads), I wouldnt want to feel that 2.5oz @ 1400fps!

Dead · July 18, 2001, 09:04 PM

Oh yeah to get a 100% Hit prob (not just a HIT, but a hit to put someone down) from a 12ga firing 00Buck you would need......... 12pellet 00 buck 3" mags fired in a 3round burst, rifle sights, and of course have the pattern zeroed in for the sites. Well that is what I remember from JackHammer.

Solitar · July 22, 2001, 01:00 AM

At 10 lbs mine is no worse than a 30-06.
If the centerfire rifle guys can handle 300 Win or Weatherby Mags, then we should be able to handle 4 inch 10 gauge. Surely at 100 yards about eighteen 00 buck ought to have a better chance of a hit. But realistically, 50 yards would be good enough with fourteen 000 buck.

July 10, 2001, 03:40 PM	#1
Solitar Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2000 Location: Solitary Posts: 717	Ultramag shotgun for Nightcrawler Nightcrawler, and others desirous of an ultramag shotgun. To be honest, shotgun shells have not had any significant development compared to what's happened in the centerfire rifle and handgun development. Comparable development would do for 10 gauge what 3 1/2" did for 12 gauge. Since 10 gauge 3 1/2" shells can not be developed for higher pressures - because of older guns... How about a 4 inch, 10 gauge ultramag shotgun? Either semi-auto to absorb recoil or a heavy double-barreled goose gun? This round could also be used in the Heavy Support Automatic Shotgun. http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...threadid=71918 It could also be more effective at 100 yards - an ongoing discussion here. http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...threadid=70028 It would be a legal alternative to a 4 gauge shotgun. http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...threadid=71803 Build it for the same pressures as the 3 1/2" 12 gauge. With 2 1/2 oz of shot at 1400 fps it would have about the same muzzle energy as a 458 Win. Mag. or just shy of a 470 Nitro Express

July 17, 2001, 09:39 AM	#3
Dead Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2000 Location: AoW Land, USA Posts: 1,968	All I can say is OUCH!!!! Those heavy 10ga Loads are painful!! They have more recoil then a 458WinMag. 2.25 oz of 4's out of a 10ga hurts (Win Double X Mag Turkey Loads), I wouldnt want to feel that 2.5oz @ 1400fps! __________________ Dead [Black Ops] www.therallypoint.org

July 18, 2001, 09:04 PM	#4
Dead Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2000 Location: AoW Land, USA Posts: 1,968	Oh yeah to get a 100% Hit prob (not just a HIT, but a hit to put someone down) from a 12ga firing 00Buck you would need......... 12pellet 00 buck 3" mags fired in a 3round burst, rifle sights, and of course have the pattern zeroed in for the sites. Well that is what I remember from JackHammer. __________________ Dead [Black Ops] www.therallypoint.org

July 22, 2001, 01:00 AM	#5
Solitar Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2000 Location: Solitary Posts: 717	Hey Dead, how heavy is your shotgun? At 10 lbs mine is no worse than a 30-06. If the centerfire rifle guys can handle 300 Win or Weatherby Mags, then we should be able to handle 4 inch 10 gauge. Surely at 100 yards about eighteen 00 buck ought to have a better chance of a hit. But realistically, 50 yards would be good enough with fourteen 000 buck.

July 14, 2001, 07:32 AM	#2
Glamdring Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 2000 Location: MN Posts: 1,388	hmmm...and what about slugs and maybe a rifled slug barrel?