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January 19, 2014, 10:38 AM | #1 |
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Question regarding non self defense issues.
I've been trying to find info regarding use of a hand gun for purposes that don't immediately meet self defense status. Specifically, I am referring to using deadly force via a fire arm to defend or protect a third person party from a potentially deadly threat. For example, you are in a 7-11 convenience store when an armed robber walks in and points a gun at the teller and demands cash. As a person licensed to carry, do I have the right to use my hand gun to eliminate the threat? Or perhaps you see a large man beating another smaller person senseless to the point of serious bodily injury. Can you draw your weapon to defend the victim?
Personally, I'd rather allow someone to be robbed without killing the offender and let the police handle the outcome. Protecting a few dollars or a car is not worth ending some ones life and potentially putting myself in front of a jury. However, what if it looks obvious that there is an immediate threat to a third person's life or safety? Am I able to use deadly force to end the threat? I live in Indiana, and here, the gun laws are rather liberal in the favor of the good guys. But, being certain is better than assuming.
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January 19, 2014, 10:48 AM | #2 |
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There are 50 states, plus the District of Columbia. There is no substitute for reading and understanding the laws of your own state.
In general, the laws of most states allow an "actor" to use force -- and lethal/deadly force -- in defense of a third party under the exact same circumstances and to the same extent that the "actor" would be allowed to use force or deadly force in defense of himself. |
January 19, 2014, 12:26 PM | #3 |
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In the vast majority of US states you can use deadly force to stop an obvious lethal criminal threat to somebody else. There are a few where you can't. You need to know which is which.
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January 19, 2014, 02:59 PM | #4 |
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Use of force training, laws....
In the events you described, you could use lethal force to defend yourself & others if needed. But I would consider the tactical applications too.
You can't put yourself in a event where you're at a tactical disadvantage. Taking a few courses if you can or buying a few DVDs/guides may help. There have been a rash of armed robberies in my area. Mostly hotel lobbies & small stores open 24/07. They crooks are all armed & work fast(from the LE videos provided to the media). A few of the crimes involve women. Could you use lethal force or react quickly in a dynamic event like a robbery? Can you draw & fire without any risks to bystanders or employees? Clyde www.handgunlaw.us www.gunguide.com www.deltapress.com www.paladin-press.com www.glockstore.com www.magpul.com www.massadayoobgroup.com www.nra.org www.vickerstactical.com |
January 20, 2014, 11:27 AM | #5 | |
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