Little stuff

Scattergun Bob · March 18, 2010, 09:28 AM

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Medical marijuana activist Steve Sarich was in his home in the pre-daylight hours Monday morning when three or four people burst in. One of them fired at him with a shotgun loaded with birdshot and he was wounded slightly, according to the King County Sheriff’s Office. Sarich returned fire with a .22-caliber pistol and hit at least one of his attackers seriously.

The additional facts from King County are: the scattergun used was a 20G with # 6 birdshot. Mr Sarich was hit with approximately 16 pellets. All hits were contained in the skin of Mr Sarich. Mr Sarich held his ground with a .22 rim-fire semi-auto pistol and drove off his attackers.

Looks to me that a man with a larger caliber of projectile won vrs a man with a smaller weaker projectile!

I just wanted to have this in the archives for the next big verses little great debate. Dave you may close this when you find it.

If anything more of interest comes of this, I will add as an edit.

Good Luck and Be Safe

mwar410 · March 18, 2010, 10:22 AM

that's a tough one, He was only hit with 16 pellets? sounds to me like the guy who could shoot won.

mathman · March 18, 2010, 12:09 PM

I think the point is that if the shotgun user was using buckshot the results might have been different. Yes?

Lee Lapin · March 18, 2010, 12:30 PM

Usually buckshot patterns out of a given barrel at a given range run smaller than birdshot patterns do. Getting 'fringed' with birdshot might well mean a clean miss with buckshot at the same range.

One lesson to take away from this IMHO is that you CAN miss with a shotgun, especially at close range.

lpl

Old Grump · March 18, 2010, 12:42 PM

Is there a link for this story?

Lee Lapin · March 18, 2010, 01:27 PM

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ooting17m.html has some updates...

lpl

Scattergun Bob · March 18, 2010, 07:38 PM

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One lesson to take away from this IMHO is that you CAN miss with a shotgun, especially at close range.

Today, WSP had scattergun familiarization drills at our range. 20, 870 shooting Federal LE 00 buck with flight control wads. Average group size at 15 yards was 3 to 4.5 inches. YES you can easily miss with a fighting scattergun at close range, regardless of the myths and Internet legends.
Good Luck & Be Safe

Dave McC · March 18, 2010, 08:01 PM

Not closing this, and doubt I'll need to.

I wonder if the shotgun was a PGO?.....

Scattergun Bob · March 18, 2010, 08:12 PM

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I wonder if the shotgun was a PGO?.....

OH NO, not again!
My best to you Bob

mathman · March 18, 2010, 08:18 PM

OK, I'll show my ignorance...what's a PGO?

Scattergun Bob · March 18, 2010, 08:53 PM

Shorthand for "pistol grip only buttstock" We seem to be at times obsessed with the subject.

Although Dave and a group of us are quite outspoken on the subject, I think he was just having a little fun with us because of the 2 active PGO threads currently running.

Good Luck & Be Safe

mathman · March 19, 2010, 12:23 AM

Ah yes, that makes sense.

The useless PGO shotgun.

mwar410 · March 19, 2010, 01:17 AM

I haven't researched the amount of # 6 pellets in a standard 20 ga. load, but I'll assume it is around 400. even if it was a 00 load, it was a horrible shot. not entirely shure he would have done better with the 22.

Dave McC · March 20, 2010, 06:54 PM

Sorry, Bob, we seem to lack a SEG smiley....

arizona98tj · March 21, 2010, 04:43 PM

According to a shotgun pellet size chart I just looked at, it claims a count of 225 for one ounce of #6 shot.

Do 20 gauge rounds pack an ounce? (It's been too long since I bought any 20 gauge loads.)

Regardless, 16 out of some 225 is pretty poor stats.

MTT TL · March 21, 2010, 06:42 PM

More on that here:

http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seatt...juana-shootout

March 18, 2010, 12:09 PM	#3
mathman Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,531	I think the point is that if the shotgun user was using buckshot the results might have been different. Yes? __________________ Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear to be bright until you hear them speak.

March 18, 2010, 12:30 PM	#4
Lee Lapin Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2004 Location: SE NC Posts: 1,239	Usually buckshot patterns out of a given barrel at a given range run smaller than birdshot patterns do. Getting 'fringed' with birdshot might well mean a clean miss with buckshot at the same range. One lesson to take away from this IMHO is that you CAN miss with a shotgun, especially at close range. lpl __________________ Mindset - Skillset - Toolset. In that order! Attitude and skill will get you through times of no gear, better than gear will get you through times of no attitude and no skill.

March 18, 2010, 12:42 PM	#5
Old Grump Member in memoriam Join Date: April 9, 2009 Location: Blue River Wisconsin, in Posts: 3,144	Is there a link for this story? __________________ Good intentions will always be pleaded for any assumption of power. The Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern will, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. --Daniel Webster--

March 18, 2010, 08:18 PM	#10
mathman Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,531	OK, I'll show my ignorance...what's a PGO? __________________ Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear to be bright until you hear them speak.

March 18, 2010, 08:53 PM	#11
Scattergun Bob Senior Member Join Date: February 29, 2008 Location: Nine Mile Falls, Washington Posts: 1,186	mathman Shorthand for "pistol grip only buttstock" We seem to be at times obsessed with the subject. Although Dave and a group of us are quite outspoken on the subject, I think he was just having a little fun with us because of the 2 active PGO threads currently running. Good Luck & Be Safe __________________ First, with the most, WINS! Regards, Scattergun Bob

March 18, 2010, 10:22 AM	#2
mwar410 Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 2008 Location: maine Posts: 234	that's a tough one, He was only hit with 16 pellets? sounds to me like the guy who could shoot won.

March 18, 2010, 01:27 PM	#6
Lee Lapin Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2004 Location: SE NC Posts: 1,239	http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ooting17m.html has some updates... lpl __________________ Mindset - Skillset - Toolset. In that order! Attitude and skill will get you through times of no gear, better than gear will get you through times of no attitude and no skill.

March 18, 2010, 08:01 PM	#8
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Not closing this, and doubt I'll need to. I wonder if the shotgun was a PGO?.....

March 19, 2010, 12:23 AM	#12
mathman Senior Member Join Date: January 15, 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,531	Ah yes, that makes sense. The useless PGO shotgun. __________________ Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear to be bright until you hear them speak.

March 19, 2010, 01:17 AM	#13
mwar410 Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 2008 Location: maine Posts: 234	I haven't researched the amount of # 6 pellets in a standard 20 ga. load, but I'll assume it is around 400. even if it was a 00 load, it was a horrible shot. not entirely shure he would have done better with the 22.

March 20, 2010, 06:54 PM	#14
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	Sorry, Bob, we seem to lack a SEG smiley....

March 21, 2010, 04:43 PM	#15
arizona98tj Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 980	According to a shotgun pellet size chart I just looked at, it claims a count of 225 for one ounce of #6 shot. Do 20 gauge rounds pack an ounce? (It's been too long since I bought any 20 gauge loads.) Regardless, 16 out of some 225 is pretty poor stats. __________________ stu-offroad.com Largest Jeep TJ project site on the web! (now with guns)

March 21, 2010, 06:42 PM	#16
MTT TL Senior Member Join Date: October 21, 2009 Location: Quadling Country Posts: 2,780	More on that here: http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seatt...juana-shootout __________________ Thus a man should endeavor to reach this high place of courage with all his heart, and, so trying, never be backward in war.

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