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Old July 22, 2018, 08:49 AM   #1
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Help deciding on a new Pump 12 ga shotgun

I’ll be soon getting a new pump shotgun strictly for home defense.

My 4 contestants, in no particular order of preference:

1. FN P-12
2. Reminton 870 Police (no express models)
3. Winchester SXP
4. Mossberg 590 A1

I want this gun to be a keeper, so quality and reliability are a must.

I actually own 870 Wingmaster 28ga and Beretta O/U, but those bird guns are too, and I want to go 18-20” for home defense.

I’d appreciate your help !!

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Old July 22, 2018, 09:28 AM   #2
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Win Model 12

Quality never goes out of style. There are a ton of model 12's out there that are not collectible.
A plain barreled 30" full choke gun is easily cut down and the bead reinstalled.

There are a ton of guns out there, if my foggy memory serves you have 5+1 capacity once the plug is removed. Add a sidesaddle if you desire.

Blued steel and walnut.
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Old July 22, 2018, 10:29 PM   #3
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New Remingtons 870s, even the Police, are worthless.

Get an older used police trade in 870 and never look back. They are TREMENDOUSLY superior guns to anything coming out of the Remington factory nowadays, are way smoother than the new guns, and the parts are of real steel.
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Old July 22, 2018, 11:46 PM   #4
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I’m just going to throw this out there because I sell guns at a Gun store. Best home defense Gun right now is the Mossberg Shockwave. Out of the .410, 20 ga or 12 ga., I’d choose the 20 for controllability. Good luck...
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Old July 23, 2018, 08:25 AM   #5
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I shot trap for years with a Remington 870 Wingmaster, put over 50k rounds thru that gun. But...was an older gun when they were still well made. I always hated the safety and slide release on the gun though. So, now shotty duty falls to a Mossberg 500. I have 18 inch security barrel, 24 inch slug barrel and 26 vent rib for trap/sporting clays/hunting. All easy to find and affordable. Vang Comp Big Speed safety and a Magpul stock round out my rig and it's perfect for me now. Works flawlessly.
PS, another thing that used to bug me about the 870 was that loading gate or whatever it's called under the gun, that would snag a glove tip when loading the gun.
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Old July 23, 2018, 08:33 AM   #6
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You left the Browning BPS out of the list. I've never owned one but having held one I know that it would certainly be on my short list.
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Old July 23, 2018, 09:04 AM   #7
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Mossberg 590 or 590A1 is what I have. It is a great great gun for me. Go to the range and try out all different loads in it. I will say slugs are pretty harsh in this shotgun when using a telescoping stock. Anyway, I bought it used for $400 and in great shape too.
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Old July 24, 2018, 08:16 AM   #8
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Probably the Remington or a Mossberg.

Aren't the P-12 and SXP just warmed over Winchester 1300's?
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Old July 24, 2018, 08:20 AM   #9
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just to be different, An Ithaca 37. Even the new ones are very well made.

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Old July 24, 2018, 03:50 PM   #10
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just to be different, An Ithaca 37. Even the new ones are very well made.

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They aren't made half as good as the original 37s, but probably still better than any new Remingtrash.
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Old July 24, 2018, 04:37 PM   #11
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For something completely different, and super cool. Check out the Fabarm STF 12
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Old July 24, 2018, 07:44 PM   #12
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I'm a big believer in FN so that would be my first choice. Following that I'd go Mossberg.
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Old July 25, 2018, 04:14 AM   #13
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Sorry. Repeat.
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Old July 25, 2018, 05:17 AM   #14
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we have been using five rem 870 12ga express shotguns as loaners for out 4-H and FFA training and safety program for years with quite a few shots thru them at least several thousand cheap wally world shells after hearing about rough chambers we polished them with a drill with a very fine valve grinding compound to a high polish and they feed and fire and eject any shells, and we bought them at wally world for less that 200.00.
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Old July 25, 2018, 05:55 AM   #15
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I already have a 20 year old 870 and a Mossberg 500 but if I didn’t my choice would most likely be a Maverick 88, that’s a lot of quality bang for the buck.
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Old July 25, 2018, 08:57 AM   #16
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Strictly for home defense; Mossberg 500 Combo. Comes with 28" field barrel and 18.5" open cyl. barrel.
And can we please stop calling shotguns "shotties"? eeech.
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Old July 25, 2018, 11:36 AM   #17
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"...no express models..." The difference between an 870 Express and a 870 Wingmaster is the finish on the metal and the stock. There's nothing special about an 870 Police other than the finish. An 870 is an 870.
However, you need to decide on a budget first.
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Old July 25, 2018, 11:54 AM   #18
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Older Ithaca's are tough to beat. Having been up close and personal to the machining going on at the Ithaca plant in Ohio I personally believe they are as good if not better. All the metal is made on new, modern CNC equipment. The rib fastening system is better, the lug on the barrel is a better design, the wood is outstanding. Being left handed I have a few. Some from Ithaca, NY and some from Kings Ferry, NY. The Ohio guns are superior to Kings Ferry IMO. Hopefully someday I'll have an Ohio made one.
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Old July 25, 2018, 01:06 PM   #19
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Out of the choices you listed I would say the FN P-12. Why ? Its got the shortest and quickest pump action out of all listed, its got a chromed lined barrel, its got a rotating locking lug bolt, its got a cantilevered optic rail that is integrated with the barrel meaning that removing the barrel will not affect your zero if you are using a red dot, and last but not least it takes removable chokes whereas some of the defense shotguns like the 590 a1 are just cylinder bore guns. Oh and also...it is an FN thats gotta count for something.
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Old July 25, 2018, 01:34 PM   #20
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Which one feels the best to you in your hands?
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Old July 25, 2018, 05:00 PM   #21
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Removable chokes are next to useless on a dedicated fightsman's shotgun. One more thing to go wrong/unscrew and don't work well with slugs or tactibuck.
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Old July 25, 2018, 07:56 PM   #22
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A little anti-seize will keep them tight and a SK or IC will do just fine with slugs or buck.
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Old July 25, 2018, 10:19 PM   #23
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Check out Benelli Nova and Supernova as well. Great features, good build quality, excellent design, affordable.
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Old July 26, 2018, 02:55 AM   #24
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The old 37s fantastic, the disconnect system, hold the trigger back, and pump! Machine gun.
I bought a new Ithica 37, sent it back, a new one replaced. Sent it back also.
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Old July 26, 2018, 04:11 PM   #25
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My top 2 pics are the M37 Ithica and the Mossberg.
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