Is it me or h110 - Page 2

Dano4734 · October 17, 2018, 08:32 PM

Thank you unclenick. I think I will save my h110 for the jacketed rounds and stick with my Vihtavuori n110. It burns really clean and is not quite as accurate but shoots well in my gun. Although it could just be me on the accuracy side as I am trying to get back to iron sights again. Like all casull rounds after ten my hand hurts and I start flinching. Today I shot a couple of double tap 400 grain bear loads that I picked up for fishing in Alaska bear protection. Only words are oh dear God. I think I will set them aside for just Alaska carry. I think I still have my hand and wrist. Dang that hurt

jmorris · October 17, 2018, 08:54 PM

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Is it me or h110

If either you or H110 are not happy, you should both move on to find the right partner.

Kevin Rohrer · October 18, 2018, 08:35 PM

The OP needs to use magnum primers w/ full-house loads, and a heavy crimp. A longer barrel also helps.

H110 is my goto powder for .44mag, .30 Carbine, .458SOCOM, and .221FB.

rclark · October 18, 2018, 09:03 PM

My rule of thumb ... Is it accurate? Then don't worry about dirty. Shoot, try some black powder revolver shooting and see what dirty 'really' is! Fun!

Road_Clam · October 19, 2018, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Rohrer

The OP needs to use magnum primers w/ full-hour loads

In my S&W 460 XVR 12" bbl XVR magnum I tested 50 gr of H110 using the Hornady 200 FTX bullet with both CCI standard and mag primers. Saw NO measurable difference in velocities or accuracy. Both were dirty, both burned all the powder, both exhibited a HUGE fireball, and both had velocities running about 2220 fps and SD's about 16 fps . I have yet to see any clear data advantages of using mag primers in leu of standard primers for typical smokeless loads. I do however notice better consistency when using mag primers in my 45-70 Sharps black powder rifle. (this along with the large rifle primer pocket flash holes enlarged to .094".

mehavey · October 19, 2018, 06:55 AM

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do however notice better consistency when using mag primers in my 45-70

You use a full case of H110 in your 45-70 ?

(Don't do it folks. Jus' kidding)

Charlie98 · October 19, 2018, 09:43 AM

I'm starting to move away from H110/W296 now that I've found IMR4227. No, it doesn't produce the absolute velocity the H & W powders do, but I don't really need all that, anyway. I've found IMR4227 to be a bit more forgiving in load workup, and a lot easier on the wrists.

Road_Clam · October 19, 2018, 11:15 AM

"H110, the big boy powder that makes you smile". Lol

Old 454 · October 19, 2018, 12:41 PM

I load for the 454 Casull... by no means use my load data

I use an XTP Mag 240 gr. Hollow point
38.2 grains of h110
Small rifle mag primers.

These are full house loads from the Lee handloading book.for freedom arms hard cast bullets.
I tried to use a standard srp and had alot of squibs and if the did ignite... dirty as hell
Went to a sr mag primer... cured it all and burned clean very clean.

Dano4734 · October 19, 2018, 01:23 PM

Charlie try Vihtavuori n110. Lyman starting load of 26.8 is sweet on the wrist and should do the job I need on whitetail. I am still playing with h110 I increased the load and it is better dirt wise but not as clean as n110. If the going out of business store has the other powders you guys recommend at the cheap prices I will try them also. I love shooting the thing but not at full power and I don’t want to shoot long colts

Steve in PA · October 19, 2018, 04:42 PM

Been loading the .44 Magnum with H110 for close to 30 years now. Never thought it to dirty. Now, the old Unique was dirty! LOL!

Dano4734 · October 19, 2018, 09:23 PM

It was much better after I kicked the load up two grains. However still dirty but lot less. I think it’s much better for full power loads as the Vihtavuori n110 is very bulky powder and I don’t think you could get full power loads from it but I am not experienced enough to call it

mehavey · October 20, 2018, 03:19 AM

See
https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...80&postcount=2

Charlie98 · October 20, 2018, 12:30 PM

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Charlie try Vihtavuori n110.

I work for a living... I can't afford that high falloutin' VV powder!

I'm getting along pretty well with IMR4227, and as I mentioned, I don't need maximum velocity. It works better, in my experience, with cast bullets, which is what I shoot primarily, anyway.

**Unclenick** · October 20, 2018, 12:51 PM

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...high falloutin' VV powder!

Don't worry. It's not radioactive.

Charlie98 · October 20, 2018, 03:51 PM

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high falloutin' VV powder!

You have to say it like you are from Green Bay, WI to make sense...

Dano4734 · October 20, 2018, 06:51 PM

Go packers love the team except when they play my beloved Steelers

Dano4734 · October 20, 2018, 06:52 PM

Oh charlie got mine on a 50 percent close out

Dano4734 · October 20, 2018, 09:17 PM

Help just got my Hornady 240 xtp mag hollow points in the mail. Now my lyman has a max load of 28.3 of n110 but the Hornady manual has a start load of 28.4 why? How can two manuals differ so. Now the Lyman just states 240 grain jacketed hp. Is It because the Hornady is a mag bullet

BBarn · October 21, 2018, 06:50 AM

Reloaders occasionally run into large discrepancies in load data, as in this case. The reason(s) for the discrepancies are seldom known for certain since the testing sites and equipment are usually different, as well as some of the reloading components.

In this case I see two significant differences which may explain the discrepancy. First, the Lyman data is based on crusher test results, for which there is no established SAAMI standard. Hornady likely used PSI results to establish their published reloading data. Speer doesn't make a lighter 45 caliber bullet suitable for full power Casull loads, but their 300gr bullet is. Speer and Hornady reloading data for their 300gr bullets correlates well.

Second, Lyman used small rifle magnum primers, whereas Hornady used standard small rifle primers. Magnum primers often raise pressure significantly, especially with some powders in certain cartridges. Of the five reloading data sources I checked for the 454 Casull, only Lyman used magnum primers.

If I was using the 240gr XTP MAG, I would use the primer specified in the Hornady manual and begin with their starting load and work up from there, loading only 5 or 10 rounds at each charge level.

Old 454 · October 21, 2018, 07:20 AM

I use the freedom arms loading from the lee handloading book for the 240 grain hardcast.
Works good.... but be warned.... it's a very stout load.... I would not shoot it out of a Taurus raging bull.
Ruger or Freedom arms only

Also when using heavy loads of slow burning powder especially if it's a compressed load use a magnum primer

Dano4734 · October 21, 2018, 09:24 AM

Thank you so much

Kevin Rohrer · October 21, 2018, 09:32 AM

Both were dirty, both burned all the powder, both exhibited a HUGE fireball,...

If you saw a "huge fireball", then all that powder was NOT getting burned, until it exited the barrel and ignited into that huge fireball.

Old 454 · October 22, 2018, 05:38 AM

Lolol the huge fire ball is one of the joys of shooting the 454. Lololol

mehavey · October 22, 2018, 08:04 AM

In that case, fill the case full (+) w/ Black Powder and have some real full at dusk.

October 17, 2018, 08:32 PM	#26
Dano4734 Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2014 Posts: 730	Thank you unclenick. I think I will save my h110 for the jacketed rounds and stick with my Vihtavuori n110. It burns really clean and is not quite as accurate but shoots well in my gun. Although it could just be me on the accuracy side as I am trying to get back to iron sights again. Like all casull rounds after ten my hand hurts and I start flinching. Today I shot a couple of double tap 400 grain bear loads that I picked up for fishing in Alaska bear protection. Only words are oh dear God. I think I will set them aside for just Alaska carry. I think I still have my hand and wrist. Dang that hurt Last edited by Dano4734; October 17, 2018 at 08:43 PM.

October 18, 2018, 08:35 PM	#28
Kevin Rohrer Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 2010 Location: Medina, Ohio Posts: 1,049	The OP needs to use magnum primers w/ full-house loads, and a heavy crimp. A longer barrel also helps. H110 is my goto powder for .44mag, .30 Carbine, .458SOCOM, and .221FB. __________________ Member: Orange Gunsite Family, NRA--Life, ARTCA, and American Legion. Caveat Emptor: Cavery Grips/AmericanGripz/Prestige Grips/Stealth Grips from Clayton, NC. He is a scammer Last edited by Kevin Rohrer; October 21, 2018 at 09:30 AM.

October 18, 2018, 09:03 PM	#29
rclark Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2009 Location: Butte, MT Posts: 2,622	My rule of thumb ... Is it accurate? Then don't worry about dirty. Shoot, try some black powder revolver shooting and see what dirty 'really' is! Fun! __________________ A clinger and deplorable, MAGA, and life NRA member. When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Single Action .45 Colt (Sometimes colloquially referred to by its alias as the .45 'Long' Colt or .45LC). Don't leave home without it. That said, the .44Spec is right up their too... but the .45 Colt is still the king.

October 19, 2018, 09:43 AM	#32
Charlie98 Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2006 Location: Great state of Texas Posts: 1,077	I'm starting to move away from H110/W296 now that I've found IMR4227. No, it doesn't produce the absolute velocity the H & W powders do, but I don't really need all that, anyway. I've found IMR4227 to be a bit more forgiving in load workup, and a lot easier on the wrists. __________________ _______________ "I have this pistol pointed at your heart!" "That is my least vulnerable spot."

October 19, 2018, 11:15 AM	#33
Road_Clam Senior Member Join Date: November 21, 2013 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 1,695	"H110, the big boy powder that makes you smile". Lol __________________ "To be old an wise you must have been young and stupid"

October 19, 2018, 12:41 PM	#34
Old 454 Senior Member Join Date: August 15, 2011 Location: Chesterton Ind. Posts: 822	I load for the 454 Casull... by no means use my load data I use an XTP Mag 240 gr. Hollow point 38.2 grains of h110 Small rifle mag primers. These are full house loads from the Lee handloading book.for freedom arms hard cast bullets. I tried to use a standard srp and had alot of squibs and if the did ignite... dirty as hell Went to a sr mag primer... cured it all and burned clean very clean.

October 19, 2018, 01:23 PM	#35
Dano4734 Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2014 Posts: 730	Charlie try Vihtavuori n110. Lyman starting load of 26.8 is sweet on the wrist and should do the job I need on whitetail. I am still playing with h110 I increased the load and it is better dirt wise but not as clean as n110. If the going out of business store has the other powders you guys recommend at the cheap prices I will try them also. I love shooting the thing but not at full power and I don’t want to shoot long colts Last edited by Dano4734; October 19, 2018 at 09:54 PM.

October 19, 2018, 04:42 PM	#36
Steve in PA Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 1999 Location: Northeastern PA Posts: 756	Been loading the .44 Magnum with H110 for close to 30 years now. Never thought it to dirty. Now, the old Unique was dirty! LOL! __________________ Steve

October 19, 2018, 09:23 PM	#37
Dano4734 Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2014 Posts: 730	It was much better after I kicked the load up two grains. However still dirty but lot less. I think it’s much better for full power loads as the Vihtavuori n110 is very bulky powder and I don’t think you could get full power loads from it but I am not experienced enough to call it Last edited by Dano4734; October 19, 2018 at 09:44 PM.

October 20, 2018, 03:19 AM	#38
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,894	See https://thefiringline.com/forums/sho...80&postcount=2

October 20, 2018, 06:51 PM	#42
Dano4734 Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2014 Posts: 730	Go packers love the team except when they play my beloved Steelers

October 20, 2018, 06:52 PM	#43
Dano4734 Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2014 Posts: 730	Oh charlie got mine on a 50 percent close out

October 20, 2018, 09:17 PM	#44
Dano4734 Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2014 Posts: 730	Help just got my Hornady 240 xtp mag hollow points in the mail. Now my lyman has a max load of 28.3 of n110 but the Hornady manual has a start load of 28.4 why? How can two manuals differ so. Now the Lyman just states 240 grain jacketed hp. Is It because the Hornady is a mag bullet

October 21, 2018, 06:50 AM	#45
BBarn Senior Member Join Date: December 22, 2015 Posts: 887	Reloaders occasionally run into large discrepancies in load data, as in this case. The reason(s) for the discrepancies are seldom known for certain since the testing sites and equipment are usually different, as well as some of the reloading components. In this case I see two significant differences which may explain the discrepancy. First, the Lyman data is based on crusher test results, for which there is no established SAAMI standard. Hornady likely used PSI results to establish their published reloading data. Speer doesn't make a lighter 45 caliber bullet suitable for full power Casull loads, but their 300gr bullet is. Speer and Hornady reloading data for their 300gr bullets correlates well. Second, Lyman used small rifle magnum primers, whereas Hornady used standard small rifle primers. Magnum primers often raise pressure significantly, especially with some powders in certain cartridges. Of the five reloading data sources I checked for the 454 Casull, only Lyman used magnum primers. If I was using the 240gr XTP MAG, I would use the primer specified in the Hornady manual and begin with their starting load and work up from there, loading only 5 or 10 rounds at each charge level.

October 21, 2018, 07:20 AM	#46
Old 454 Senior Member Join Date: August 15, 2011 Location: Chesterton Ind. Posts: 822	I use the freedom arms loading from the lee handloading book for the 240 grain hardcast. Works good.... but be warned.... it's a very stout load.... I would not shoot it out of a Taurus raging bull. Ruger or Freedom arms only Also when using heavy loads of slow burning powder especially if it's a compressed load use a magnum primer

October 21, 2018, 09:24 AM	#47
Dano4734 Senior Member Join Date: October 6, 2014 Posts: 730	Thank you so much

October 21, 2018, 09:32 AM	#48
Kevin Rohrer Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 2010 Location: Medina, Ohio Posts: 1,049	Both were dirty, both burned all the powder, both exhibited a HUGE fireball,... If you saw a "huge fireball", then all that powder was NOT getting burned, until it exited the barrel and ignited into that huge fireball. __________________ Member: Orange Gunsite Family, NRA--Life, ARTCA, and American Legion. Caveat Emptor: Cavery Grips/AmericanGripz/Prestige Grips/Stealth Grips from Clayton, NC. He is a scammer

October 22, 2018, 05:38 AM	#49
Old 454 Senior Member Join Date: August 15, 2011 Location: Chesterton Ind. Posts: 822	Lolol the huge fire ball is one of the joys of shooting the 454. Lololol

October 22, 2018, 08:04 AM	#50
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,894	In that case, fill the case full (+) w/ Black Powder and have some real full at dusk.