N.J. shoot on the 16th of March..... - Page 3

Quantrill · February 25, 2002, 06:16 PM

We hope to make it. Sorry to have missed the Quakertown Shoot, things were a little rushed at that time for us. I gather that we are going to have some police combat shooting. Years ago, I taught that to several departments but it was all revolver then. Both Mary Lou and I have been through the NRA police instructor school at Camp Perry, Ohio several times. Quantrill

RAY WOODROW 3RD · February 25, 2002, 07:04 PM

That's great!

Do you want to be the time keeper and how about the little lady for the target scoring person? Let me know.

Quantrill · February 27, 2002, 06:26 PM

We would be happy to assist any way possible. I have had 3 major operations in the last 2 months ( the last being on Tuesday), so I hope I am up to coming and helping out. Hopefully, the worst is now over and we can get back to normal. Quantrill

Green Republican · February 28, 2002, 09:04 AM

Thanks again for the invite, Ray. I hope to be there. I live fairly close so I can probably work it out with the tots if my wife's working.

jmlv · February 28, 2002, 10:48 PM

For the first time in a couple of years. I shot it pretty good considering. I hope to use it on the wood chopping on the 16th. also shot my 639 too it was old home day for auto's. think I will dig out the Tokarov too for the 16. Perhaps a 22 as well. Looking forward to this thing.

Mike11b · March 1, 2002, 09:24 AM

Ray-

Count me in. I'll be bringing my Kimber and ammo, as well as a donation for the range (always a good idea to stay in the good graces of people offering range time for free!!)

SodaPop and Mike - maybe we can ride over together. i'm coming from Wilmington, DE, but I know roughly where both of you are located......Mom lives in Lafayette Hills, and went to college in Reading, PA......drove past the Trooper exit on 422 countless times. If we ride together, I'll most likely come up 202 or 95 to the Blue Route. How's about the IKEA front door being a rally point?

Jamie Young · March 1, 2002, 11:11 AM

Well we'll see once we get close to the shoot. I forget which bridge we need to cross but My House is only a few minutes from 76.

Mike11b · March 1, 2002, 11:38 AM

OK....just a suggestion....figured there's a bunch of guys from the same area headed to the same place.....

OleSoul · March 1, 2002, 02:29 PM

i only wish i could get there now, i met a bunch of you guys atthe last Quakertown shoot, have been wanting to do some tactical range stuff too... figures that weekend im flying down to Atlanta

.... guess ill catch the next one... only 9 more posts till i get my tenth in lol.

Take care all,

OleSoul

Jamie Young · March 1, 2002, 04:12 PM

Who are you??????????????????????????????

Jamie Young · March 3, 2002, 12:04 AM

So how many girls are going to be at this place?

RAY WOODROW 3RD · March 3, 2002, 01:02 AM

How many are you bringing?

Jeets · March 3, 2002, 01:28 AM

ray... must both my gun and ammo be locked in seperate cases?

Jamie Young · March 3, 2002, 01:31 AM

If you guys in PA and Delaware are interested You can all Meet up at My Place and we can all go to NJ together in My Mini Van? I
ve been there before and Pretty Much know where I'm going. I'm only bringing a Shotgun and Handgun so I'll have plenty of Room.

RAY WOODROW 3RD · March 3, 2002, 01:47 AM

It wouldn't hurt to do so but the main thing is to have them out of "easy access". Lock the gun and keep the ammo in a paper bag from the food store. Store them in the trunk of vehicle. Drive the speed limit and you will be fine.

RAY WOODROW 3RD · March 3, 2002, 02:55 AM

Don't forget people. NO MAGAZINES THAT CAN HOLD OVER 15 ROUNDS. Drive straight to the range and straight back until you get back to your prospective states. Ammo must be seperated from the firearm. Try to have both locked up seperately. Put both in trunk. Do not have magazines loaded while transporting. I think that is it for now. Any questions?

RAY WOODROW 3RD · March 3, 2002, 03:00 AM

All firearms transported into the State of New Jersey:

Shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or
locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel, shall include
only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.
The firearm should not be directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle. If the vehicle does
not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm and ammunition must be in a
locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console.

RAY WOODROW 3RD · March 3, 2002, 03:15 AM

State of New Jersey
Department of Law and Public Safety
DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE
25 Market Street
Trenton, New Jersey

TO: ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY HEADS

FROM: Robert T Winter
Director of the Division of Criminal Justice

DATE: January 4, 1991

SUBJECT: Interstate Transport of Firearms

The following guidelines are provided in order to assist law enforcement officers in applying New
Jersey's firearms laws to persons who are transporting firearms through the State of New Jersey

I. New Jersey laws governing firearms permits, purchaser identification cards, registration an licenses do
not apply to a person who is transporting a firearm through this State it that person is transporting the
firearm in a manner permitted by federal law 18 U.S.C.A. 926A.

II. This federal law permitting interstate transportation of a firearm applies only if all of the following
requirements are met:
A. The person's possession of the firearm was lawful in the state in which the journey began;
B. The person's possession of the firearm will be lawful in the state in which the journey will end;
C. The person is transporting the firearm for a lawful purpose;
D. The firearm is unloaded;
E. The firearm is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle;
F. The ammunition is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle;
G. If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm
must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console;

H. The person is not
1. a convicted felon
2. a fugitive from justice
3. an addict or unlawful user of drugs, or
4. an illegal alien

I. The person has not
1. been adjudicated to be a mental defective
2. been committed to a mental institution
3. been dishonorably discharged from the armed forces, or
4. renounced his United States citizenship

III. A person who is transporting a firearm through the State of New Jersey in the manner permitted by 18
U.S.C.A. 926A, see Section II above, need not give notice.

IV. Procedure for Investigation of Conduct Involving the Possession or Transportation of Firearms.

1. An officer who reasonably suspects that a person transporting a firearm in violation of New Jersey law
should make reasonable inquiries in order to confirm or dispel that suspicion

2. In a case where circumstances reasonably indicate that the person's possession and transportation of
the firearm may be permitted by U.S.C.A. 926A, the officer should make reasonable inquiries in order to
determine whether the person's possession is permitted by the federal law.

3. If reasonable inquires lead the officer to conclude that the person's possession is lawful under either
New Jersey law or U.S.C.A. 926A, as described above in Section II., the officer should promptly allow the
person to proceed.

4. Whenever an officer has probable cause to believe that a person's possession of a firearm is in violation
of New Jersey law and not permitted by U.S.C.A. 926A,as described above in Section II, then the officer
should make an arrest.

Jamie Young · March 15, 2002, 07:20 PM

I DON'T BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope most of you are still going? I am

Seeya there!!

February 25, 2002, 06:16 PM	#51
Quantrill Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 1999 Location: Arizona, USA Posts: 725	TFL Shoot We hope to make it. Sorry to have missed the Quakertown Shoot, things were a little rushed at that time for us. I gather that we are going to have some police combat shooting. Years ago, I taught that to several departments but it was all revolver then. Both Mary Lou and I have been through the NRA police instructor school at Camp Perry, Ohio several times. Quantrill

February 25, 2002, 07:04 PM	#52
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	That's great! Do you want to be the time keeper and how about the little lady for the target scoring person? Let me know. __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

February 27, 2002, 06:26 PM	#53
Quantrill Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 1999 Location: Arizona, USA Posts: 725	March Shoot We would be happy to assist any way possible. I have had 3 major operations in the last 2 months ( the last being on Tuesday), so I hope I am up to coming and helping out. Hopefully, the worst is now over and we can get back to normal. Quantrill

February 28, 2002, 10:48 PM	#55
jmlv Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2001 Location: PA AMERICA STARTS HERE! Posts: 739	Doug out my 1911 last weekend For the first time in a couple of years. I shot it pretty good considering. I hope to use it on the wood chopping on the 16th. also shot my 639 too it was old home day for auto's. think I will dig out the Tokarov too for the 16. Perhaps a 22 as well. Looking forward to this thing. __________________ JMLV NEW PA RESIDENT TFL ALUMNUS MOLON LABE!

March 1, 2002, 11:11 AM	#57
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	Well we'll see once we get close to the shoot. I forget which bridge we need to cross but My House is only a few minutes from 76. __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

February 28, 2002, 09:04 AM	#54
Green Republican Senior Member Join Date: February 5, 2001 Posts: 243	Thanks again for the invite, Ray. I hope to be there. I live fairly close so I can probably work it out with the tots if my wife's working.

March 1, 2002, 09:24 AM	#56
Mike11b Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2002 Location: Delaware Posts: 139	Ray- Count me in. I'll be bringing my Kimber and ammo, as well as a donation for the range (always a good idea to stay in the good graces of people offering range time for free!!) SodaPop and Mike - maybe we can ride over together. i'm coming from Wilmington, DE, but I know roughly where both of you are located......Mom lives in Lafayette Hills, and went to college in Reading, PA......drove past the Trooper exit on 422 countless times. If we ride together, I'll most likely come up 202 or 95 to the Blue Route. How's about the IKEA front door being a rally point?

March 1, 2002, 11:38 AM	#58
Mike11b Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2002 Location: Delaware Posts: 139	OK....just a suggestion....figured there's a bunch of guys from the same area headed to the same place.....

March 1, 2002, 02:29 PM	#59
OleSoul Junior Member Join Date: January 27, 2002 Location: Hatfield PA Posts: 4	i only wish i could get there now, i met a bunch of you guys atthe last Quakertown shoot, have been wanting to do some tactical range stuff too... figures that weekend im flying down to Atlanta .... guess ill catch the next one... only 9 more posts till i get my tenth in lol. Take care all, OleSoul

March 1, 2002, 04:12 PM	#60
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	OleSoul Who are you?????????????????????????????? __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

March 3, 2002, 12:04 AM	#61
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	So how many girls are going to be at this place? __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

March 3, 2002, 01:02 AM	#62
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	How many are you bringing? __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

March 3, 2002, 01:28 AM	#63
Jeets Member Join Date: December 19, 2001 Posts: 53	ray... must both my gun and ammo be locked in seperate cases? __________________ Save the whales. Harpoon Rosie!

March 3, 2002, 01:31 AM	#64
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	If you guys in PA and Delaware are interested You can all Meet up at My Place and we can all go to NJ together in My Mini Van? I ve been there before and Pretty Much know where I'm going. I'm only bringing a Shotgun and Handgun so I'll have plenty of Room. __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!

March 3, 2002, 01:47 AM	#65
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	Jeets....... It wouldn't hurt to do so but the main thing is to have them out of "easy access". Lock the gun and keep the ammo in a paper bag from the food store. Store them in the trunk of vehicle. Drive the speed limit and you will be fine. __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

March 3, 2002, 02:55 AM	#66
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	THINGS TO REMEMBER.......... Don't forget people. NO MAGAZINES THAT CAN HOLD OVER 15 ROUNDS. Drive straight to the range and straight back until you get back to your prospective states. Ammo must be seperated from the firearm. Try to have both locked up seperately. Put both in trunk. Do not have magazines loaded while transporting. I think that is it for now. Any questions? __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

March 3, 2002, 03:00 AM	#67
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	From the State Police Firearms site... All firearms transported into the State of New Jersey: Shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported, and in the course of travel, shall include only such deviations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances. The firearm should not be directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle. If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm and ammunition must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console. __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

March 3, 2002, 03:15 AM	#68
RAY WOODROW 3RD Senior Member Join Date: March 11, 1999 Location: Beverly, N.J. U.S.A. Posts: 784	New Jersey's view of interstate transportation.. State of New Jersey Department of Law and Public Safety DIVISION OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE 25 Market Street Trenton, New Jersey TO: ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY HEADS FROM: Robert T Winter Director of the Division of Criminal Justice DATE: January 4, 1991 SUBJECT: Interstate Transport of Firearms The following guidelines are provided in order to assist law enforcement officers in applying New Jersey's firearms laws to persons who are transporting firearms through the State of New Jersey I. New Jersey laws governing firearms permits, purchaser identification cards, registration an licenses do not apply to a person who is transporting a firearm through this State it that person is transporting the firearm in a manner permitted by federal law 18 U.S.C.A. 926A. II. This federal law permitting interstate transportation of a firearm applies only if all of the following requirements are met: A. The person's possession of the firearm was lawful in the state in which the journey began; B. The person's possession of the firearm will be lawful in the state in which the journey will end; C. The person is transporting the firearm for a lawful purpose; D. The firearm is unloaded; E. The firearm is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle; F. The ammunition is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle; G. If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console; H. The person is not 1. a convicted felon 2. a fugitive from justice 3. an addict or unlawful user of drugs, or 4. an illegal alien I. The person has not 1. been adjudicated to be a mental defective 2. been committed to a mental institution 3. been dishonorably discharged from the armed forces, or 4. renounced his United States citizenship III. A person who is transporting a firearm through the State of New Jersey in the manner permitted by 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, see Section II above, need not give notice. IV. Procedure for Investigation of Conduct Involving the Possession or Transportation of Firearms. 1. An officer who reasonably suspects that a person transporting a firearm in violation of New Jersey law should make reasonable inquiries in order to confirm or dispel that suspicion 2. In a case where circumstances reasonably indicate that the person's possession and transportation of the firearm may be permitted by U.S.C.A. 926A, the officer should make reasonable inquiries in order to determine whether the person's possession is permitted by the federal law. 3. If reasonable inquires lead the officer to conclude that the person's possession is lawful under either New Jersey law or U.S.C.A. 926A, as described above in Section II., the officer should promptly allow the person to proceed. 4. Whenever an officer has probable cause to believe that a person's possession of a firearm is in violation of New Jersey law and not permitted by U.S.C.A. 926A,as described above in Section II, then the officer should make an arrest. __________________ __________________ "MOST talk the talk but can NEVER walk the walk." "The key to success in ANY battle is effective communications." From NJ? Check out "njcsd.com"

March 15, 2002, 07:20 PM	#69
Jamie Young Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2000 Location: SE/PA Posts: 4,834	I DON'T BELIEVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope most of you are still going? I am Seeya there!! __________________ Find out about Gun Shows and Training activities. www.TheRallyPoint.org Get your gun club involved!!