200 LSWC 45/45acp

bossman · January 30, 2011, 12:28 PM

Would this be a good round for both the colt and acp? Should I use this for 45acp and get a 250/255 for the 45 colt? Don't really need a one size fits all round, But I'm about to order my first batch of bullets and am new to the process.

jmortimer · January 30, 2011, 01:47 PM

The late great Col. Cooper used both the 200 grain SWC and a 230 grain RNFP in his .45 Colt ACP. No reason it would not work in the .45 Colt but for me, I would go with the 230 RNFP in the ACP and the 255 grain SWC in my revolver.

orionengnr · January 30, 2011, 07:24 PM

I use 200 gr SWCs for my .45 acp and they work fine.

I loaded up some 200 gr SWC in .45LC and they shot a fair bit low.

I recently loaded some 225 gr LFP into the .45LC, and they shoot low as well.

Bottom line, they will work, but may not be optimum.

I think I will stick with 255 gr for .45LC in the future.

bossman · February 1, 2011, 09:27 AM

Ok I think I'll go with the 200 gr LSWC for the .45 acp and the lead the 255 gr. Keith style for the 45 colt.

Now where to order from and how much mess with the lead bullet and lube? Do they feel greasy to the touch or is lube just for barrel and ok to handle with out grease rag handy?

CherokeeT · February 1, 2011, 10:33 AM

Most commercial sellers use a hard lube that is non-sticky. The lube actually forms a seal between the bullet and the barrel to keep the powder gases from by-passing the bullet. This reduces or avoids leading if the bullet is the correct size for the barrel. Cast bullets are easy to use, no problem. Just bell the case mouth enough so you don't shave lead while seating. I have had good luck with pennbullets.com but there are many good bullet sellers out there. Find one close to you to save on shipping charges. Your bullets choices of 200 SWC/45 ACP and 255 Keith/45 Colt should work fine for you.

jmortimer · February 1, 2011, 10:36 AM

If you are just punching paper then Missouri Bullets is a good source. I've purchased from a few different companies. If you are looking for self-defense or hunting ammunition here is where I will look for the best and spend more $$$ such as Beartooth Bullets or even Penn Bullets or Oregon Trails Laser Cast. There are, Thank God, so many choices when it comes to hard cast bullet manufacturers. You shoud not have a problem with the lubes and the bullets are not messy. I like Unique powder and if you load it towards the high end it will shoot clean enough. Low end loads of Unique seem to be a problem for some. You might want to check out the Cast Boolits web site http://castboolits.gunloads.com/

bossman · February 1, 2011, 12:08 PM

200 gr LSWC for the .45 acp and the lead the 255 gr. Keith style for the 45 colt.

If I get these from Missouri Bullet will they work ok with Universal Clays without to much leading 200swc( brin-12) 255(brin-18).

Just paper punching.

DiscoRacing · February 1, 2011, 12:10 PM

I use 230 for acp and 255 for colt

SauerGrapes · February 1, 2011, 01:02 PM

Uniiversal Clays will work for both. I like Clays better. Burns a little faster, but Universal will work.
Have fun!

Ozzieman · February 1, 2011, 06:10 PM

I use both 200 gr for ACP and 45 colt. The biggest problem is what you’re going to shoot them in.
All my ACP like .452 for lead but my Rugers need larger bullets and I use .455 for them.
Try Penn 200 RNFPBB. They work great in my Gold Cup and Kimber Royal. The .455 work well in my Rugers but heavier bullets are always more accurate.
http://www.pennbullets.com/45/45-caliber.html

Sarge · February 1, 2011, 06:21 PM

The 200 grain LSWC is probably my favorite all around bullet for the 45 Auto. There's no reason why it wouldn't serve equally well in the 45 Colt, unless you need that round's ability to handle heavier slugs.

The 200 grain bullet will also print a little low in fixed-sight revolvers regulated for 255 grain slugs.

bossman · February 1, 2011, 06:47 PM

If I go with 200 gr for both acp and colt which bullet one with or without a crimp groove?

Ozzieman · February 2, 2011, 04:46 PM

That's another reason I like the Penn bullet.
For Long colt I use the crimp grove. But for the ACP I seat it deeper which is just above the crimp grove which happens to be the correct depth for the bullet.
Try the .45 Caliber 200 Grain Round Nose Flat Point Bevel Base

reloader28 · February 3, 2011, 10:35 AM

Its up to you.
Contrary to what some people think, you dont have to have a crimp groove for 45's. Neither of the bullets I use have a crimp groove.

The only time I ever crimp anything is for the hard kicking guns. 44mag and thats only with the hotter loads.

sourdough44 · February 3, 2011, 02:59 PM

I load some 200 grain bullets for the 45 acp & 45 Colt(Schofield too). Mine are 'plated' RN Rainier bullets, works for me.

January 30, 2011, 12:28 PM	#1
bossman Senior Member Join Date: November 16, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 996	200 LSWC 45/45acp Would this be a good round for both the colt and acp? Should I use this for 45acp and get a 250/255 for the 45 colt? Don't really need a one size fits all round, But I'm about to order my first batch of bullets and am new to the process. __________________ NRA life member When the going gets tough, I just open another beer.

February 1, 2011, 09:27 AM	#4
bossman Senior Member Join Date: November 16, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 996	Ok I think I'll go with the 200 gr LSWC for the .45 acp and the lead the 255 gr. Keith style for the 45 colt. Now where to order from and how much mess with the lead bullet and lube? Do they feel greasy to the touch or is lube just for barrel and ok to handle with out grease rag handy? __________________ NRA life member When the going gets tough, I just open another beer.

February 1, 2011, 10:33 AM	#5
CherokeeT Senior Member Join Date: April 23, 2008 Location: Medina, Ohio Posts: 273	Most commercial sellers use a hard lube that is non-sticky. The lube actually forms a seal between the bullet and the barrel to keep the powder gases from by-passing the bullet. This reduces or avoids leading if the bullet is the correct size for the barrel. Cast bullets are easy to use, no problem. Just bell the case mouth enough so you don't shave lead while seating. I have had good luck with pennbullets.com but there are many good bullet sellers out there. Find one close to you to save on shipping charges. Your bullets choices of 200 SWC/45 ACP and 255 Keith/45 Colt should work fine for you. __________________ God Bless America US Army, NRA Endowment TSRA Life, SASS

February 1, 2011, 12:08 PM	#7
bossman Senior Member Join Date: November 16, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 996	200 gr LSWC for the .45 acp and the lead the 255 gr. Keith style for the 45 colt. If I get these from Missouri Bullet will they work ok with Universal Clays without to much leading 200swc( brin-12) 255(brin-18). Just paper punching. __________________ NRA life member When the going gets tough, I just open another beer.

February 1, 2011, 12:10 PM	#8
DiscoRacing Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: milton, wv Posts: 3,640	I use 230 for acp and 255 for colt __________________ Desert Eagle Alliance Group Launcher Extraordinaire ______ ----Get Busy Live'n.....Or....Get Busy Die'n......Red -------They call me Dr. Bob,,,, I have a PhD in S&W

January 30, 2011, 01:47 PM	#2
jmortimer Junior member Join Date: January 24, 2010 Location: South West Riverside County California Posts: 2,763	The late great Col. Cooper used both the 200 grain SWC and a 230 grain RNFP in his .45 Colt ACP. No reason it would not work in the .45 Colt but for me, I would go with the 230 RNFP in the ACP and the 255 grain SWC in my revolver.

January 30, 2011, 07:24 PM	#3
orionengnr Senior Member Join Date: July 9, 2004 Posts: 5,173	I use 200 gr SWCs for my .45 acp and they work fine. I loaded up some 200 gr SWC in .45LC and they shot a fair bit low. I recently loaded some 225 gr LFP into the .45LC, and they shoot low as well. Bottom line, they will work, but may not be optimum. I think I will stick with 255 gr for .45LC in the future.

February 1, 2011, 10:36 AM	#6
jmortimer Junior member Join Date: January 24, 2010 Location: South West Riverside County California Posts: 2,763	If you are just punching paper then Missouri Bullets is a good source. I've purchased from a few different companies. If you are looking for self-defense or hunting ammunition here is where I will look for the best and spend more $$$ such as Beartooth Bullets or even Penn Bullets or Oregon Trails Laser Cast. There are, Thank God, so many choices when it comes to hard cast bullet manufacturers. You shoud not have a problem with the lubes and the bullets are not messy. I like Unique powder and if you load it towards the high end it will shoot clean enough. Low end loads of Unique seem to be a problem for some. You might want to check out the Cast Boolits web site http://castboolits.gunloads.com/

February 1, 2011, 01:02 PM	#9
SauerGrapes Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2009 Location: S.E.PA. Posts: 920	Uniiversal Clays will work for both. I like Clays better. Burns a little faster, but Universal will work. Have fun!

February 1, 2011, 06:10 PM	#10
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	I use both 200 gr for ACP and 45 colt. The biggest problem is what you’re going to shoot them in. All my ACP like .452 for lead but my Rugers need larger bullets and I use .455 for them. Try Penn 200 RNFPBB. They work great in my Gold Cup and Kimber Royal. The .455 work well in my Rugers but heavier bullets are always more accurate. http://www.pennbullets.com/45/45-caliber.html

February 1, 2011, 06:21 PM	#11
Sarge Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2002 Location: MO Posts: 5,457	The 200 grain LSWC is probably my favorite all around bullet for the 45 Auto. There's no reason why it wouldn't serve equally well in the 45 Colt, unless you need that round's ability to handle heavier slugs. The 200 grain bullet will also print a little low in fixed-sight revolvers regulated for 255 grain slugs. __________________ People were smarter before the Internet, or imbeciles were harder to notice.

February 1, 2011, 06:47 PM	#12
bossman Senior Member Join Date: November 16, 2010 Location: Arkansas Posts: 996	If I go with 200 gr for both acp and colt which bullet one with or without a crimp groove? __________________ NRA life member When the going gets tough, I just open another beer.

February 2, 2011, 04:46 PM	#13
Ozzieman Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2004 Location: Northern Indiana Posts: 6,117	That's another reason I like the Penn bullet. For Long colt I use the crimp grove. But for the ACP I seat it deeper which is just above the crimp grove which happens to be the correct depth for the bullet. Try the .45 Caliber 200 Grain Round Nose Flat Point Bevel Base

February 3, 2011, 10:35 AM	#14
reloader28 Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2009 Location: nw wyoming Posts: 1,061	Its up to you. Contrary to what some people think, you dont have to have a crimp groove for 45's. Neither of the bullets I use have a crimp groove. The only time I ever crimp anything is for the hard kicking guns. 44mag and thats only with the hotter loads.

February 3, 2011, 02:59 PM	#15
sourdough44 Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2007 Location: WI Posts: 621	I load some 200 grain bullets for the 45 acp & 45 Colt(Schofield too). Mine are 'plated' RN Rainier bullets, works for me.