Electronic scale

White Boot Infidel · February 3, 2011, 12:53 PM

Looking for some digital reloading scales but want some that are accurate up to .01. Anyone got any suggestions?

wogpotter · February 3, 2011, 12:55 PM

Did you mean 0.1 Gr. or 0.01 Gr

If 0.1 will do you then check out PACT

White Boot Infidel · February 3, 2011, 01:04 PM

.01 gr

4runnerman · February 3, 2011, 01:04 PM

I just got the Natchez catolog. They have some real good ones on sale right now.Check out there web sight.

White Boot Infidel · February 3, 2011, 01:08 PM

Thanks 4 runner!

BIGR · February 3, 2011, 01:47 PM

Natchez is great to deal with too. A RCBS or Pact would probably be a good scale. I have used a RCBS scale for years, but I am sure there are other ones out there that are as good.

Saltydog235 · February 3, 2011, 01:53 PM

I don't think they make one that is accurate to .01 grains. A single kernel/ball weighs more than that.

For the .10 grain measure, the RCBS despenser/scale has been awsome for me. Its like a light goes on every time it powers up, angels start singing, a tingle starts and I get..........................nevermind.

FlyFish · February 3, 2011, 01:57 PM

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I don't think they make one that is accurate to .01 grains.

I agree. Even if you could find one that's readable to 0.01 gr, I wouldn't trust it. I don't believe it's possible to make a balance that sensitive/accurate at a price a consumer could afford. 0.01 gr is equivalent to 0.0006 grams, and lab balances that operate in that range run a few thousand dollars.

Just out of curiousity - why do you want or need to make measurements at that level?

Brian Pfleuger · February 3, 2011, 02:04 PM

Yeah, you're not going to find "consumer level" scales with repeatability to .01gr.

Certainly there are scales that can do it, but expect to pay mega-money...

Here's one for $1,895

White Boot Infidel · February 3, 2011, 02:39 PM

A friend and I are getting back into reloading and he wants a scale that sensitive. I agree with what has been said about sensitivity, but I told him I would look.

Brian Pfleuger · February 3, 2011, 02:57 PM

Well, no offense to your friend, but you should try to convince him that it's silly to measure to that sensitivity.

Just variations in moisture content alone will probably render such resolution useless. Not to mention that you'll try yourself crazy trying to get the same reading over and over again. With some powders you'd literally have to cut pieces in half to get those readings.

Saltydog235 · February 3, 2011, 03:08 PM

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Well, no offense to your friend, but you should try to convince him that it's silly to measure to that sensitivity.

Just variations in moisture content alone will probably render such resolution useless. Not to mention that you'll try yourself crazy trying to get the same reading over and over again. With some powders you'd literally have to cut pieces in half to get those readings.

This. Seriously, I would question your friends experience in reloading if he thinks that this is practical or evn consistantly acheivable. Honestly, I usually set my RCBS up on the island in my kitchen to despense and measure powder. From 12ft away, the scale pan will measure the effect of the HVAC vent by .2 to .3 grains if I don't close the cover enough to block the air flow.

oneoldsap · February 3, 2011, 03:23 PM

Sounds to me like the blind leading the blind . If you fellows would do a little studying about reloading you'd know powder isn't measured to hundredths of a grain .

Idahoser · February 3, 2011, 03:46 PM

I was trying to find a scale to fit a couple of uses, reloading powder in grains being one... measuring coins in troy ounces another.

I found some recommendations that made an impression on me for the MyWeigh DuraScale. The resolution is .01 grams.

The one specifically mentioned was a 50 gram max, the one I ended up buying is a 100 gram.

http://www.oldwillknottscales.com/my...scale-100.aspx is where I got it.

wncchester · February 3, 2011, 03:54 PM

The accuracy of loading powder to .00001 gr. would be no better than .1 gr., often twice that even for a good rifle and shooter. Variations between cases and primers make a greater pressure difference than .1 gr. of powder.

Doodlebugger45 · February 3, 2011, 04:21 PM

When I first started loading I was pretty obsessed with both safety and consistency. I had to get my pistol charges to weigh exactly the same amount, or at least to the limit of the resolution of the scale, which was 0.1 gr. I did that, even when I was loading starting loads. For rifles, I allowed it to vary by +/- 0.1 gr compared to the target weight. But after shooting a bunch of those loads, I figure +/- 0.1 is plenty good enough for pistols and I only worry about it if I'm close to max. For rifles, I figure +/- 0.2 gr is plenty close.

But even in my most obsessive moment, I wouldn't have considered weighing down to 0.01 gr. It is educational to watch your digital scale as you trickle the last few kernels into the pan to make it read right on the money down to the final 0.1 gr. For some powders it only takes 3 or 4 of the little granules to make a 0.1 gr difference. No way that 3 kernels of powder will make any difference.

brickeyee · February 3, 2011, 04:43 PM

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I found some recommendations that made an impression on me for the MyWeigh DuraScale. The resolution is .01 grams.

Resolution is not the same as accuracy.

Buzzard Bait · February 3, 2011, 04:46 PM

Electronic scales are great especially if you eyes are getting old. But we have come a long way. When I was a kid sometime in the early 60s my dad hunted with a old man who reloaded, this guy had no scale!!! He took a funnel and pored powder from a small unmarked paper bag into the case then used a card to level the powder off even with the top of the case, then used a die to hand press a bullet into the case. I'm not making this up, he was loading for a 300 savage lever action rifle. He only had a few cases a used them year after year to very successfully harvest deer.
bb

jaguarxk120 · February 3, 2011, 04:59 PM

Most bench rest shooters don't even weigh their powder charges. It's all done by volume measure.
Trying to find a electronic scale that sensitive is a waste of time and effort. Your better off getting the Lyman handbook of reloading, money wisely spent.

maillemaker · February 3, 2011, 05:29 PM

Well, I can't find the one I bought from MidwayUSA at Christmas, but here is one by the same company for about the same price:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=175512

$20, with .1 grain accuracy.

Steve

FlyFish · February 3, 2011, 06:34 PM

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I found some recommendations that made an impression on me for the MyWeigh DuraScale. The resolution is .01 grams.

0.01 grams = 0.15 gr, so that scale is adequate, but just barely, for reloading (assuming it's accurate).

BigJimP · February 3, 2011, 06:52 PM

Denver Instruments makes a good scale that is accurate to + - 0.02 grain ...

a Denver Instrument MXX-123.

You can contact them at 1-800-321-1135 if you have any questions

Here is a link / they're about $ 300 ...or so ...

http://www.6mmbr.com/mxx123test.html

Some handgun loads have a min and max of 4.0 gr min / 4.4 gr max . And I like to know if my target is 4.3 grains on that load ....my scale may occasionally bump to 4.4 or down to 4.2 ....and I'd like to know if I'm average 4.275 or 4.325 ...so I can fine tune my press. While most scales accurate to 0.1 grain are ok ..... 0.02 at $300 is a better unit.

4runnerman · February 3, 2011, 08:33 PM

Plus one oldsap. I will still keep my comments to myself(for the first time

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4runnerman · February 3, 2011, 08:38 PM

Most bench rest shooters don't even weigh their powder charges. It's all done by volume measure

Say what?

I don't know any bench shooters that load that way.

jaguarxk120 · February 3, 2011, 08:49 PM

I take it that you have never heard of Harrell's, Culver, jones, or a Prometheus powder measures.

February 3, 2011, 12:53 PM	#1
White Boot Infidel Member Join Date: March 1, 2009 Posts: 74	Electronic scale Looking for some digital reloading scales but want some that are accurate up to .01. Anyone got any suggestions?

February 3, 2011, 12:55 PM	#2
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	Did you mean 0.1 Gr. or 0.01 Gr If 0.1 will do you then check out PACT __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.”

February 3, 2011, 01:04 PM	#4
4runnerman Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,577	I just got the Natchez catolog. They have some real good ones on sale right now.Check out there web sight. __________________ NRA Certified RSO NwCP- Performance Isn't Optional

February 3, 2011, 02:04 PM	#9
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	Yeah, you're not going to find "consumer level" scales with repeatability to .01gr. Certainly there are scales that can do it, but expect to pay mega-money... Here's one for $1,895 __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

February 3, 2011, 02:57 PM	#11
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	Well, no offense to your friend, but you should try to convince him that it's silly to measure to that sensitivity. Just variations in moisture content alone will probably render such resolution useless. Not to mention that you'll try yourself crazy trying to get the same reading over and over again. With some powders you'd literally have to cut pieces in half to get those readings. __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

February 3, 2011, 01:08 PM	#5
White Boot Infidel Member Join Date: March 1, 2009 Posts: 74	Thanks 4 runner!

February 3, 2011, 01:47 PM	#6
BIGR Senior Member Join Date: June 13, 2000 Location: Mountains Posts: 1,385	Natchez is great to deal with too. A RCBS or Pact would probably be a good scale. I have used a RCBS scale for years, but I am sure there are other ones out there that are as good.

February 3, 2011, 01:53 PM	#7
Saltydog235 Senior Member Join Date: October 20, 2010 Location: Pawleys Island Posts: 1,563	I don't think they make one that is accurate to .01 grains. A single kernel/ball weighs more than that. For the .10 grain measure, the RCBS despenser/scale has been awsome for me. Its like a light goes on every time it powers up, angels start singing, a tingle starts and I get..........................nevermind.

February 3, 2011, 02:39 PM	#10
White Boot Infidel Member Join Date: March 1, 2009 Posts: 74	A friend and I are getting back into reloading and he wants a scale that sensitive. I agree with what has been said about sensitivity, but I told him I would look.

February 3, 2011, 03:23 PM	#13
oneoldsap Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 2009 Location: I live in the foot of the Green Mountains of Vermont Posts: 1,602	Sounds to me like the blind leading the blind . If you fellows would do a little studying about reloading you'd know powder isn't measured to hundredths of a grain .

February 3, 2011, 03:46 PM	#14
Idahoser Senior Member Join Date: April 13, 2005 Location: West TN Posts: 244	I was trying to find a scale to fit a couple of uses, reloading powder in grains being one... measuring coins in troy ounces another. I found some recommendations that made an impression on me for the MyWeigh DuraScale. The resolution is .01 grams. The one specifically mentioned was a 50 gram max, the one I ended up buying is a 100 gram. http://www.oldwillknottscales.com/my...scale-100.aspx is where I got it.

February 3, 2011, 03:54 PM	#15
wncchester Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2002 Posts: 2,832	The accuracy of loading powder to .00001 gr. would be no better than .1 gr., often twice that even for a good rifle and shooter. Variations between cases and primers make a greater pressure difference than .1 gr. of powder.

February 3, 2011, 04:21 PM	#16
Doodlebugger45 Senior Member Join Date: April 15, 2009 Location: Wyoming Posts: 1,717	When I first started loading I was pretty obsessed with both safety and consistency. I had to get my pistol charges to weigh exactly the same amount, or at least to the limit of the resolution of the scale, which was 0.1 gr. I did that, even when I was loading starting loads. For rifles, I allowed it to vary by +/- 0.1 gr compared to the target weight. But after shooting a bunch of those loads, I figure +/- 0.1 is plenty good enough for pistols and I only worry about it if I'm close to max. For rifles, I figure +/- 0.2 gr is plenty close. But even in my most obsessive moment, I wouldn't have considered weighing down to 0.01 gr. It is educational to watch your digital scale as you trickle the last few kernels into the pan to make it read right on the money down to the final 0.1 gr. For some powders it only takes 3 or 4 of the little granules to make a 0.1 gr difference. No way that 3 kernels of powder will make any difference.

February 3, 2011, 04:46 PM	#18
Buzzard Bait Senior Member Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Republic of Texas Posts: 502	we have come a long way Electronic scales are great especially if you eyes are getting old. But we have come a long way. When I was a kid sometime in the early 60s my dad hunted with a old man who reloaded, this guy had no scale!!! He took a funnel and pored powder from a small unmarked paper bag into the case then used a card to level the powder off even with the top of the case, then used a die to hand press a bullet into the case. I'm not making this up, he was loading for a 300 savage lever action rifle. He only had a few cases a used them year after year to very successfully harvest deer. bb

February 3, 2011, 04:59 PM	#19
jaguarxk120 Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,620	Most bench rest shooters don't even weigh their powder charges. It's all done by volume measure. Trying to find a electronic scale that sensitive is a waste of time and effort. Your better off getting the Lyman handbook of reloading, money wisely spent.

February 3, 2011, 05:29 PM	#20
maillemaker Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2010 Posts: 1,635	Well, I can't find the one I bought from MidwayUSA at Christmas, but here is one by the same company for about the same price: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=175512 $20, with .1 grain accuracy. Steve

February 3, 2011, 06:52 PM	#22
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	Denver Instruments makes a good scale that is accurate to + - 0.02 grain ... a Denver Instrument MXX-123. You can contact them at 1-800-321-1135 if you have any questions Here is a link / they're about $ 300 ...or so ... http://www.6mmbr.com/mxx123test.html Some handgun loads have a min and max of 4.0 gr min / 4.4 gr max . And I like to know if my target is 4.3 grains on that load ....my scale may occasionally bump to 4.4 or down to 4.2 ....and I'd like to know if I'm average 4.275 or 4.325 ...so I can fine tune my press. While most scales accurate to 0.1 grain are ok ..... 0.02 at $300 is a better unit.

February 3, 2011, 08:33 PM	#23
4runnerman Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,577	Plus one oldsap. I will still keep my comments to myself(for the first time) __________________ NRA Certified RSO NwCP- Performance Isn't Optional

February 3, 2011, 08:38 PM	#24
4runnerman Senior Member Join Date: January 16, 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,577	Most bench rest shooters don't even weigh their powder charges. It's all done by volume measure Say what? I don't know any bench shooters that load that way. __________________ NRA Certified RSO NwCP- Performance Isn't Optional

February 3, 2011, 08:49 PM	#25
jaguarxk120 Senior Member Join Date: February 28, 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,620	I take it that you have never heard of Harrell's, Culver, jones, or a Prometheus powder measures.