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Old January 23, 2007, 01:46 PM   #1
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You are in unfamiliar country and are being tailed

Suppose you are driving across the state one night away from your home town on a back highway one evening. You notice a car behind is behaving suspiciously and seems to be following you. You discover that you have forgotten to pocket your cell phone. Since you are in unfamiliar country, you don't know where the nearest police station is. You do have at least your handgun packed on your person, so if you are pulled off the road or are followed to your destination, you do have a chance...but you obviously don't want it to get to that point. What do you do?

Speed up and try to lose them stopping at the first gas station or store you see?
Keep driving normally and pull into the first gas station or store you see?
Pull into a populated area like a walmart parkinglot if you happen to see it?


Some thoughts:
Speeding up, while it might be dangerous if they give chase, does give you the chance of escape AND will get a policeman's attention if he is hiding somewhere looking for speeders.
Pulling into a store or place where other people are is no guarantee of saving your life. People have been followed to those places before and were killed and robbed nevertheless.
Driving normally won't tip them to your having seen them, so they probably won't try anything until they see you are going to stop. It would give you more time to think of something.


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Old January 23, 2007, 01:51 PM   #2
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I would slow down to a dead creep and if they won't go around you then I'd burn them I'm not sure about your vehicle but they wouldn't catch mine and when I got far enough ahead I'd turn out my lights and pull onto a side road far enough they wouldn't see me and wait for them to pass. If all else fells then you still have your handgun for defense.

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Old January 23, 2007, 01:53 PM   #3
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Keep driving as normal until the vehicle behind does something more than act suspicious. Pulling over to shoot it out is not an option because you don't know how many friends and what weapons they have brought to the party.
Accelerate slowly to determine if they plan on keeping up with you. At a cross highway, turn without using your signal to see if they follow, and if they do, drive to the nearest town and find the police station.
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Old January 23, 2007, 03:50 PM   #4
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spin your car in a 180 and shoot at them through the windshield a la Die Hard 3........

I would probably turn on my flashers and slow to like 20 and pull partway off of the road. If they still dont go around you then I'd haul it to the closest town and try and find somewhere very well lit.

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Old January 23, 2007, 03:51 PM   #5
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It's hard to tell if they're specifically following you, since it's a back country road, but I'd do the slow and let pass technique here... If they don't pass, then you better book it...

If you're comfortable with your auto at high speed, make a run for it. I personally never let the tank drop below half when traveling, so I would have enough fuel to get somewhere.
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Old January 23, 2007, 04:09 PM   #6
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lean out the window and yell the five simple words that settle all disputes:

"I.Have. Anti. Personnel. Grenades."
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Old January 23, 2007, 04:35 PM   #7
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Wish I had a video picture to post of my Rolling On The Floor Laughing!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Old January 23, 2007, 04:39 PM   #8
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Um...yes, pull over at the first populated place I see.
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Old January 23, 2007, 05:18 PM   #9
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Hmm, no one follows me, it's likely the usual driver who would like to surpass me, or want me to go faster. I'll let him overtake me.

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Old January 24, 2007, 01:29 AM   #10
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"...a car behind is behaving suspiciously..." How does a car behave suspiciously?
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Old January 24, 2007, 01:44 AM   #11
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GalilArms, that was the 3rd Die Hard. Die Hard with a Vengeance.

sorry i just had to.
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Old January 24, 2007, 04:29 AM   #12
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I would drive normally. Unless he is a direct threat there is nothing else you can do. Letting him pass seems like a good idea, but assume he won't pass you if he is following you. If he wants he can follow me all night. If he does anything else, I would deal with it. If he follows me all the way to my destination, I would assume a gunfight is coming. Take cover behind your engine block and proceed with normal gunfight proceedures.
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Old January 24, 2007, 05:42 AM   #13
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Yeah slow driving to let him pass i s the best checker in this situation. If he doesn't pass drive th the city and either pull into a gas station/well lit area/paoice station. or start driving around one block again and again. Eventually they will realise that you figured them out and will give up. Either that or they just got bored or dizzy . Try not to gunfight it out since you can deter them while you still have gas.

If you stop at the gas station and they follow you, pull to the other street entrance and get back on the road if you want to double check if they are following you. Then pull back in, heave to the right to get your car between you and the follower and get behind your engine block and confront them with the gun still conceled but maybe palmed.

High speeds can be bad. If you panic and start running and get away, a policeman may pull you over and ticket you accordingly (if too fast you can lose your liscence for a while and the above maneuvers are better choices)
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Old January 24, 2007, 09:07 AM   #14
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Keep driving at normal speed, obeying all traffic laws, until I get to my destination, get out of the car, go inside and take my lithium, and hope the paranoid delusions subside.
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Old January 24, 2007, 09:57 AM   #15
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I'm not sure how a car acts suspiciously, but I'll play along. If the car does in fact have bad ideas, I do not want it in front of me. Assuming I left the smoke machine, and the oiler at home, I would engage the car armor, activate the homing rockets, and just continue to drive normally. If the car wants by, he can pass at the next passing zone. If the car passes you, and goes about his business, you're being paranoid. If he passes you, and tries to run you off of the road, or starts to slow, fire the homing rockets.
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Old January 24, 2007, 10:15 AM   #16
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Keep driving at normal speed, obeying all traffic laws, until I get to my destination, get out of the car, go inside and take my lithium, and hope the paranoid delusions subside.
LOL, that is great.

I will play along. If the individual does not press the issue you drive normally to a well lit populated area. A police station would be an ideal choice.

If the person following decides to press the issue, then you take advantage of your strengths. Know your vehicle and your capabilities.

Prophet, asserts his vehicle is fast enough that he can leave them behind. That is knowing his vehicle and his own capabilities.

I doubt seriously I could outrun any, but the slowest car with my Truck, but I can pull of of the road in places and keep going where a car cannot.

I seriously doubt it is a situation I will ever have to deal with. I have taken a tactical handguns class in which we shot, in around, and through cars. I learned a lot about what to do and what not to do around a vehicle, I also learned a lot about what a handgun, rifle, and shotgun can and can't do regarding penetration of a car body. Is this information I will ever use. No, but it was great fun, one of the most fun handgun classes I have ever taken.
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Old January 24, 2007, 10:25 AM   #17
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Pray that during this drive you don't to go Number #2 as that's when they will come for you.

I'm for the driving in the direction you want cautiously and then if getting to a public place, ditch the car right at the front door and run inside yelling CALL THE POLICE as you head for the back.

While Doug says folks have been killed stopping at a place - I'd like details of how that happened.

Unless it is a team of assassins - I find it hard to believe criminals just after your cash are going to pursue you.
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Old January 24, 2007, 10:48 AM   #18
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While Doug says folks have been killed stopping at a place - I'd like details of how that happened.
About 10-12 years ago, a women was supposedly being followed. She pulled into the police station, was shot and killed, and the murder was never solved. The people in the station claim they never heard anything.
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Old January 24, 2007, 10:51 AM   #19
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In the station - outside? I'm always suspicious of stories that we don't have good sources for.

Was it a spouse? There is a world of difference between a dedicated killer vs. a crime for financial gain.
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Old January 24, 2007, 11:12 AM   #20
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I don't have details or statistics from the internet, but I do remember hearing about 15 years ago of a woman who was being followed, went to a well lit gas station and was still followed in and killed.
I'll do a google search later today.

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I'm not sure how a car acts suspiciously,
several people have ask this. Things like a car passes you, slows down when as it passes you. A couple of men look at you just to see who and what is in your car and continue to pass. 2 minutes later, you find yourself passing them and then they suddenly match your speed a 50-100 yards back. You speed up or speed down and they subtly match your speed.
Granted some these things per se happen frequently on the road (airheads that just don't drive consistantly, or want to shadow you because they think they can safely go 5 miles over the speed limit and not be seen by the police...as though the police would care.) but when all of these things come together at once, it might just cross your mind. It's just a matter of being aware of what is going on around you.
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Old January 24, 2007, 11:13 AM   #21
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according to the new ATF report a car driving "suspiciously" or a "suspicious" car differs from where you are.

when in the north of ireland if you're driving a car with english plates in a catholic area a suspicious car is normally green, swerving on the road due to noted drunkness, and is waving some sort of Shaleleigh out the window.

in the southern states they say the car may be the colour of the confederate flag with " i brake for animals" on the bumper and may or may not have the passenger riding shotgun waving a bottle of XXXX moonshine out the window.

its good to know that we are all safe with the ATF publishing these fine reports. very similar to the FBI'S report in new york about how to look for a suicide bomber " he may have wires sticking out.... [ shoot any one with a walk man] he may be sweating... [ the obese population will be purged] and finally if u didnt fall into any of those categorys then dont worry, " he may be totally calm and polite."

In case you thought you had a chance to survive
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Old January 24, 2007, 12:19 PM   #22
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I was a little off on my time frame. It happened in 1991. She was shot in the parking lot. It still hasn't been solved.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...18&postcount=1

http://www.cantonrep.com/old_repsear...il.php?ID=4136
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Old January 24, 2007, 02:38 PM   #23
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Doug's scenario isn't all that far fetched.

I know.

Been there, done that, relieved it didn't end in a shooting.

Situtation: Returning from a trip to the L.A. area, driving north on California's Interstate 5. This is a straight, almost flat, boring interstate, 2-lanes in either direction, running north-south for most of California's length. Driving late in the evening, after dark.

Kidneys encounter the "recyle" stage and I have to hit a rest stop as the next known, "populated" exit is another 70 miles away. At the rest stop are numerous cars and people (about 18 cars and a couple of semi's). As I'm leaving I note a group of three younger men hanging around a 80's Ponitac with TA damage on the right side. I climb into the truck and pull out cautiously, then start to leave. After I passed the trio, I look back and notice them climbing into their car and quickly backing out.

After getting on the freeway I note their car hanging back about 200 yards (car had a left side turn/marker light out). I reviewed what I saw and noted 3 guys in a car with no obvious signs of luggage or "travelling stuff" in the car. I also remembered one wearing a "do-rag" on his head. Speed limit 70, I'm doing 55 mph and they're not passing. In fact, a pair of semi's passes us both in the first 6 miles or so. I slowly increase speed to 70 and they maintain their interval. None of this is actually out of place as I figure they're just following my tail lights.

After they mimic my passing slower traffic 5 times and just on a "spidey-sense" tingle, I decide to signal an exit at a stop that has a lone gas station visible. I signal well in advance and slow to 55 mph in the right lane. About 300 yards from the exit they signal their intent to exit (probably because of a semi coming up on 'em). I slow to 40 mph and they close in, looking committed to exiting. I wait until I'm on the ramp and then divert left, across the painted gore point, accellerating at full throttle back onto the highway. They have to brake hard to get behind the semi and they follow.

Radar contact - bandit at 6 o'clock.

A Dodge 4x4 is not a race car and doesn't get good gas mileage at 85-90mph. Slow down to 75 in the left lane and let them approach. Meanwhile, I've unzipped the luggage, extracted and loaded my S&W M57, putting it in my belt. I pass a semi who's doing about 65 and pull in front of him, slowing to match his speed and leave little room for them to use. They hang alongside the trailer, matching speed. Check cell phone - No Signal.

Trucker signals for left lane and they pull forward, pacing his tractor and generally pissing him off as I slow to 60 mph. Loud horn from diesel truck. Speed up to 65 again, then dive to shoulder and brake hard, letting truck and Pontiac fly by. Now I'm behind them and they don't like it. They take off at 90+. *whew*.

But they show up as a blacked out car on the next on-ramp and don't turn on their lights until they're about 1/4 mile behind me. Uh-oh.

Exit freeway at well known "fuel stop" that has fast food, motels and gas. I proceed into the first gas station (Shell) and pull towards the pumps nearest the building. They enter the lot and move slowly. Now I drive out the other side of the station, across the street into a Chevron station. They follow. I go around the station, back across the street noting them following. Go around the Shell station to the pump area. Thankfully the middle area is clear of cars. They follow and I pull around the far line of pumps, crank hard right and block the center pump area which they nicely entered. They stop and look. I'm standing behind engine block, staring at them. It's their move.

Passenger exits with aluminum baseball bat. Rear passenger exits holding a wooden bat. Both start to advance asking what my F'ing problem is. Quick glance around - No vehicles near line of fire. Cashier inside obliviously chatting with customer. Males clear front bumper of car now about 30 feet away. Present M57 over the hood. "Drop your weapons! Do it NOW!"

If I wasn't so keyed up the look on their faces would have been hysterical. They complied. "DRIVER! Toss the keys out the window! Do it NOW!" Got all three proned out on the concrete. Customer informed cashier who called PD. Nine minutes or an eternity later, California Highway Patrol shows up like a rolling Christmas tree.

I expected grief from CHP and was relieved it didn't happen. As soon as he exited his car w/shotgun, I put my M57 on the hood and held up my hands and yelled "Cover those guys! I'll do whatever you say." He asked about weapons (theirs), told me to stay at front of truck away from gun. He cuffed all three then retreived my gun and asked what was going on.

Idiot wanna-be tough-guy kids it turns out. Beer in car, bats (no ball or gloves), remains of a two joints in the rear ashtray. Checked their wallets - a total of $12 between the three of 'em. One had a prior record for drug possession, the others were clean. Pressed assault charges against the two with the bats. DA charged driver with aiding & abetting assault. All plead no-contest.

FWIW, the CHP looked at the .41 Magnum rounds (silvertips) and said he'd never seen one. He showed these young guys the rounds and told them it could have sliced through both sides of the car easily. CHP officers (backup arrived) said I did all the right things to ensure they were after me and to give them a chance to break off. I was handed my gun and ammo back and told to secure them. LOTS of paperwork - a 1 hour delay on my trip. One officer said it wasn't hard to figure out -- a 50ish man holding three guys proned out at gunpoint isn't generally the criminal type.
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Old January 24, 2007, 02:54 PM   #24
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Eek - that's a story.

Anyway about the woman and the police, a line from the story said:

Jill Holzbach was the mother of a 4-year-old girl and her husband publicly announced he was a target of the investigation

That's one thing I was discussing - that's a bit different from the random folk.

Bill, why not ditch the car as I said by the door of the building and run inside screaming for help? Not criticizing but just suggesting. I don't know if I would act so cooly then.
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@ BillCA

Good one, glad that turned out okay.

I too don't think the scenario is far-fetched. I have also been there and done that, but in my case the guys tailing me were the police.
I wrote about that in another thread (I think it was to do with hijackers).
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