130 gr. Hot Cor

dvdcrr · September 29, 2020, 12:17 PM

Bottom line, in a good rifle, is a 277 speer hot cor going to be accurate enough for deer to 300 yds. every time, assuming the shooter does their part? I am talking first line bullets, not blems or seconds. I have some and the lead tips are a little more ugly than sierra or hornady.

T. O'Heir · September 29, 2020, 01:06 PM

Easily. A Hot-Cor is a deer hunting bullet. Makes no difference how pretty the point is either. Only the base of a bullet matters. The cartridge used matters a whole lot.
Using a .270 Win, with a MV of roughly 3060 FPS, at 300 it'll be going about 2259 FPS, but more importantly, it'll have about 1472 ft-lbs of energy. Sighted in at 200, it'll be 7" low at 300.
A .270 Weatherby with 3200 FPS MV, will have 2520 FPS at 300 with 1835 ft-lbs. Sighted in at 200, a 130 will drop 5.9" at 300.

dvdcrr · September 29, 2020, 07:06 PM

good to know thank you.

ReloadKy · September 29, 2020, 07:20 PM

I have shot the 150 gr hot-cor our of my 270 and gotten excellent accuracy. I know you asked about the 130 and I am sorry I do not have experience with them. However, i have been pleased enough with the accuracy and my own milk jug test using the 150 gr that I am loading them for this deer season.

GeauxTide · September 29, 2020, 09:46 PM

Have used Speer Hot Core for many years. Excellent for long range use. Take care on the 100 yard shots because they will ruin a lot of meat at impacts of 3000fps.

FrankenMauser · September 30, 2020, 10:20 AM

They're fine.
Don't let the marketing for modern bullets impair your judgment and dilute the reputation of the classic designs.

Pathfinder45 · October 8, 2020, 01:14 AM

If you do your part, the results tend to be spectacular one-shot-instant-kills on Deer.

**Unclenick** · October 8, 2020, 09:13 AM

Dvdcr,

Not just the shooter and bullet, but the rifle needs to be able to do its part, too. No dinged crown or other major issue.

A badly dinged bullet tip will lower ballistic coefficient a little, but it's not something you'd really notice much at 300 yards or less. It will also slightly unbalance the bullet, but when Harold Vaughn did his experiment filing bullet tips at 45°, the amount the group opened up was only about half an moa at 100 yards, IIRC. By comparison, a mere 2° angle on the bullet base had several times that much effect. Hence Harry Pope's admonition over a century ago that the base steers the bullet.

TX Nimrod · October 8, 2020, 01:54 PM

IME the HotCores tend to have tips which are a bit more blunt than Hornadys or Sierras - if that’s what the OP means by “a little more ugly”. Does he mean that the Hornady and Sierra bullets are less ugly? Words matter, communication is tough without a clear understanding when you ask for help.

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dahermit · October 8, 2020, 02:07 PM

A note about Speer Hot Core bullets...when they first came out (yup, I am that old), they seemed to infer that the lead core was somehow bonded/fused to the bullet jacket. As an experiment, I took one (caliber and weight lost in my memory), stood it on end and split it using a hunting knife and lead hammer to see if the core was indeed bonded to the jacket as they seemed to infer. Long story short, when the bullets were split lengthwise and no mechanical hold on the cores were possible, the cores fell free of the jackets. To me this meant that they were just standard cup and draw bullets.

Admittedly that experiment was way back when they were first introduced and I cannot say that they are the same today, but someone may want to repeat the experiment with Speer's current production just to see.

September 29, 2020, 12:17 PM	#1
dvdcrr Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2010 Posts: 665	130 gr. Hot Cor Bottom line, in a good rifle, is a 277 speer hot cor going to be accurate enough for deer to 300 yds. every time, assuming the shooter does their part? I am talking first line bullets, not blems or seconds. I have some and the lead tips are a little more ugly than sierra or hornady. __________________ "All warfare is based on deception. Hence when we are able to attack we must seem unable....when using our forces we must appear inactive. When we are near we must make the enemy believe we are far away."Sun Tzu The Art of War.

September 29, 2020, 01:06 PM	#2
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	Easily. A Hot-Cor is a deer hunting bullet. Makes no difference how pretty the point is either. Only the base of a bullet matters. The cartridge used matters a whole lot. Using a .270 Win, with a MV of roughly 3060 FPS, at 300 it'll be going about 2259 FPS, but more importantly, it'll have about 1472 ft-lbs of energy. Sighted in at 200, it'll be 7" low at 300. A .270 Weatherby with 3200 FPS MV, will have 2520 FPS at 300 with 1835 ft-lbs. Sighted in at 200, a 130 will drop 5.9" at 300. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

September 29, 2020, 07:06 PM	#3
dvdcrr Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2010 Posts: 665	good to know thank you. __________________ "All warfare is based on deception. Hence when we are able to attack we must seem unable....when using our forces we must appear inactive. When we are near we must make the enemy believe we are far away."Sun Tzu The Art of War.

September 29, 2020, 09:46 PM	#5
GeauxTide Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2009 Location: Helena, AL Posts: 4,424	Have used Speer Hot Core for many years. Excellent for long range use. Take care on the 100 yard shots because they will ruin a lot of meat at impacts of 3000fps. __________________ Reloading For: 223R, 243W, 6.5 GR, 6.5 CM, 260R, 6.5-06, 280R, 7mmRM, 300HAM'R, 308W, 30-06, 338-06, 9mm, 357M, 41M, 44SPL, 44M, 45 ACP, 45 Colt, 450BM.

September 30, 2020, 10:20 AM	#6
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	They're fine. Don't let the marketing for modern bullets impair your judgment and dilute the reputation of the classic designs. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe.

September 29, 2020, 07:20 PM	#4
ReloadKy Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2018 Posts: 191	I have shot the 150 gr hot-cor our of my 270 and gotten excellent accuracy. I know you asked about the 130 and I am sorry I do not have experience with them. However, i have been pleased enough with the accuracy and my own milk jug test using the 150 gr that I am loading them for this deer season.

October 8, 2020, 01:14 AM	#7
Pathfinder45 Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2008 Posts: 3,224	If you do your part, the results tend to be spectacular one-shot-instant-kills on Deer.

October 8, 2020, 09:13 AM	#8
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	Dvdcr, Not just the shooter and bullet, but the rifle needs to be able to do its part, too. No dinged crown or other major issue. A badly dinged bullet tip will lower ballistic coefficient a little, but it's not something you'd really notice much at 300 yards or less. It will also slightly unbalance the bullet, but when Harold Vaughn did his experiment filing bullet tips at 45°, the amount the group opened up was only about half an moa at 100 yards, IIRC. By comparison, a mere 2° angle on the bullet base had several times that much effect. Hence Harry Pope's admonition over a century ago that the base steers the bullet. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

October 8, 2020, 01:54 PM	#9
TX Nimrod Senior Member Join Date: November 27, 2009 Location: Zona Posts: 423	IME the HotCores tend to have tips which are a bit more blunt than Hornadys or Sierras - if that’s what the OP means by “a little more ugly”. Does he mean that the Hornady and Sierra bullets are less ugly? Words matter, communication is tough without a clear understanding when you ask for help. . __________________ .22LR - .223 - .22-250 - .243 - 6mm REM - .25-20 - .25-35 - .25 BB - .250/3000 - .257 WBY - .260 - .30 M1 - .300 BO - .30 Herrett - .300 Savage - .32 H&R - .303 - .338-06 - .338 WM - .35 REM - .38-55 - .45 LC - .45-70 - .50-70

October 8, 2020, 02:07 PM	#10
dahermit Senior Member Join Date: October 28, 2006 Location: South Central Michigan...near Posts: 6,501	A note about Speer Hot Core bullets...when they first came out (yup, I am that old), they seemed to infer that the lead core was somehow bonded/fused to the bullet jacket. As an experiment, I took one (caliber and weight lost in my memory), stood it on end and split it using a hunting knife and lead hammer to see if the core was indeed bonded to the jacket as they seemed to infer. Long story short, when the bullets were split lengthwise and no mechanical hold on the cores were possible, the cores fell free of the jackets. To me this meant that they were just standard cup and draw bullets. Admittedly that experiment was way back when they were first introduced and I cannot say that they are the same today, but someone may want to repeat the experiment with Speer's current production just to see.