.45 ACP cases

John Foley · June 29, 1999, 04:27 PM

I bought a pile of once fired .45 ACP cases real cheap from our range officer. While sorting them out I ran across some I haven't seen before.

PMC, Pacific Metallic Cartridge - ?
Carroll 45 AUTO - ?
TZZ 89 - ?
WCC 70 and other dates, Winchester made for the US Govn't - ?
S&B O 45 AUTO, These have red color coated primers - ?

Any info will be appreciated.

Art Eatman · June 29, 1999, 07:02 PM

PMC is Pusan (Korea) and I think Metallic Cartridge. If nobody else knows, I'll go root thru the .223 bin.

Dunno the rest, for certain.

**Mal H** · June 29, 1999, 07:15 PM

PMC - I believe Art is right. It is from ROK.
TZZ - probably Czech.
WCC - Western Cartridge Co. (before Win. bought them out)
S&B - Sellier & Bellot, very common, usually mfg in Czech.
Carroll - dunno

WESHOOT2 · June 29, 1999, 09:15 PM

TZZ is IMI's (Israel) military headstamp. IMI makes the best 45 cases.

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Daniel Watters · June 30, 1999, 03:16 AM

Carroll is an ammo manufacturer/remanufacturer on the distribution level of Georgia Arms, perhaps a bit smaller. I've only shot a box of their .45 ACP 200gr LSWC, but it was good stuff. (Unfortunately, the range quit carrying it soon after...not enough profit margin.)

Cheapo · June 30, 1999, 12:51 PM

Depending on what year and face you're dealing with, PMC can stand for Pan Metal Corporation, Precision Made Cartridges, and maybe one or two other nomes de guerre of the Pusan-based manufacturing concern.

I'm not sure, but I believe that they actually make some of their components here in the US, possibly in CA.

Their Nevada operation definitely assembles components into loaded cartridges. They may even make cases & bullets there as well, but I have no hard recent reports.

Wasn't that helpful? I feel silly with so little info...

Paul B. · June 30, 1999, 05:40 PM

Cheapo. I have heard that PMC aslo once stood for Patton-Morgan Corp. They have a facility in Henderson, Nevada, which with all the growth is soon to be surrounded by Las Vegas. All the other brass ID's are correct as afar as I know. The only one I didn't know was TZZ.
Paul B.

John Foley · July 1, 1999, 08:39 AM

Hey guys,

Thanks for the info. With the exception of PMC, where there seems to be a litte confusion, I now know more about the cases then I did before...live and learn.

June 29, 1999, 04:27 PM	#1
John Foley Retired Screen Name Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 46	I bought a pile of once fired .45 ACP cases real cheap from our range officer. While sorting them out I ran across some I haven't seen before. PMC, Pacific Metallic Cartridge - ? Carroll 45 AUTO - ? TZZ 89 - ? WCC 70 and other dates, Winchester made for the US Govn't - ? S&B O 45 AUTO, These have red color coated primers - ? Any info will be appreciated.

June 29, 1999, 07:02 PM	#2
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	PMC is Pusan (Korea) and I think Metallic Cartridge. If nobody else knows, I'll go root thru the .223 bin. Dunno the rest, for certain.

June 29, 1999, 07:15 PM	#3
Mal H Staff Join Date: March 20, 1999 Location: Somewhere in the woods of Northern Virginia Posts: 16,955	PMC - I believe Art is right. It is from ROK. TZZ - probably Czech. WCC - Western Cartridge Co. (before Win. bought them out) S&B - Sellier & Bellot, very common, usually mfg in Czech. Carroll - dunno

June 29, 1999, 09:15 PM	#4
WESHOOT2 Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 1999 Location: home on the range; Vermont (Caspian country) Posts: 14,324	TZZ is IMI's (Israel) military headstamp. IMI makes the best 45 cases. ------------------ "All my ammo is factory ammo"

June 30, 1999, 03:16 AM	#5
Daniel Watters Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 1999 Location: USA Posts: 644	Carroll is an ammo manufacturer/remanufacturer on the distribution level of Georgia Arms, perhaps a bit smaller. I've only shot a box of their .45 ACP 200gr LSWC, but it was good stuff. (Unfortunately, the range quit carrying it soon after...not enough profit margin.)

June 30, 1999, 12:51 PM	#6
Cheapo Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 1998 Posts: 986	Depending on what year and face you're dealing with, PMC can stand for Pan Metal Corporation, Precision Made Cartridges, and maybe one or two other nomes de guerre of the Pusan-based manufacturing concern. I'm not sure, but I believe that they actually make some of their components here in the US, possibly in CA. Their Nevada operation definitely assembles components into loaded cartridges. They may even make cases & bullets there as well, but I have no hard recent reports. Wasn't that helpful? I feel silly with so little info...

June 30, 1999, 05:40 PM	#7
Paul B. Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 1999 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 3,802	Cheapo. I have heard that PMC aslo once stood for Patton-Morgan Corp. They have a facility in Henderson, Nevada, which with all the growth is soon to be surrounded by Las Vegas. All the other brass ID's are correct as afar as I know. The only one I didn't know was TZZ. Paul B.

July 1, 1999, 08:39 AM	#8
John Foley Retired Screen Name Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 46	Hey guys, Thanks for the info. With the exception of PMC, where there seems to be a litte confusion, I now know more about the cases then I did before...live and learn.