40MM HE Rounds

UT_Air_Assault · March 8, 2005, 12:44 AM

Hey Folks,
I've been reading these forums for a while now, and have finally gotten around to joining. This last weekend I had the oportunity to go play with a National Guard Infantry Unit at the Range. Somehow they had gotten a hold of some 40mm HE rounds for the 203, and we had quite a "blast". Needless to say I will never need viagra.
I've seen quite a few M79s and M203 for sale as DDs, and know that non-HE rounds are readily available. Yet what about live HE rounds? I know that they would be classified as DDs and be accompanied by the $200 transfer tax, but is there anywhere one could actually purchase some HE rounds? I've pondered on how effective they would be in ridding my ranch of its wild pig problem...........Any knowledge you can share will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

HOOK 'EM HORNS!

shaggy · March 8, 2005, 11:10 AM

Good luck finding a company to sell them to you.

While in theory they can be legally bought if registered as DD's, no manufacturer will sell them to a civilian. First, manufacturers of small arms are often contractually prohibited from selling the same weapons to civilians if they are a defense contractor. Additionally, there would be a huge liability issue for the manufacturer of such devices who sold them to the public.

Third_Rail · March 8, 2005, 03:50 PM

I've always found that amusing... "DDs (specifically explosives) are legal to own"

"Can I buy that?"

"No, no civilian sales."

It doesn't make sense to me. Can one manufacture them with the proper permits? $200 tax each, I'd assume...

shaggy · March 8, 2005, 04:11 PM

You CAN buy them legally, provided you do all the paperword to get a DD and and special BATFE licensing for explosives, have an approved explosives storage facility, etc. The problem is the private companies that make such devices won't sell to you as a matter of company policy.

Theoretically, you could file a form 1 with BATFE/NFA for each round (along with paying a $200/tax on each), get an exlposives license, build an approved storage facility, and make your own rounds once the form 1's were approved. Unfortunately its well beyond the ability of most folks to make such devices, and combined with the financial impact of the taxes, licenses, storage facility, etc. is almost insurmountable unles you plan to be in the business. And at that point, the civil liability aspect of civilian sales is tremendous.

Third_Rail · March 8, 2005, 04:40 PM

At least it's possible. I can dream!

March 8, 2005, 12:44 AM	#1
UT_Air_Assault Senior Member Join Date: March 8, 2005 Posts: 142	40MM HE Rounds Hey Folks, I've been reading these forums for a while now, and have finally gotten around to joining. This last weekend I had the oportunity to go play with a National Guard Infantry Unit at the Range. Somehow they had gotten a hold of some 40mm HE rounds for the 203, and we had quite a "blast". Needless to say I will never need viagra. I've seen quite a few M79s and M203 for sale as DDs, and know that non-HE rounds are readily available. Yet what about live HE rounds? I know that they would be classified as DDs and be accompanied by the $200 transfer tax, but is there anywhere one could actually purchase some HE rounds? I've pondered on how effective they would be in ridding my ranch of its wild pig problem...........Any knowledge you can share will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! HOOK 'EM HORNS!

March 8, 2005, 04:11 PM	#4
shaggy Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2004 Posts: 1,519	Third Rail You CAN buy them legally, provided you do all the paperword to get a DD and and special BATFE licensing for explosives, have an approved explosives storage facility, etc. The problem is the private companies that make such devices won't sell to you as a matter of company policy. Theoretically, you could file a form 1 with BATFE/NFA for each round (along with paying a $200/tax on each), get an exlposives license, build an approved storage facility, and make your own rounds once the form 1's were approved. Unfortunately its well beyond the ability of most folks to make such devices, and combined with the financial impact of the taxes, licenses, storage facility, etc. is almost insurmountable unles you plan to be in the business. And at that point, the civil liability aspect of civilian sales is tremendous.

March 8, 2005, 11:10 AM	#2
shaggy Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2004 Posts: 1,519	Good luck finding a company to sell them to you. While in theory they can be legally bought if registered as DD's, no manufacturer will sell them to a civilian. First, manufacturers of small arms are often contractually prohibited from selling the same weapons to civilians if they are a defense contractor. Additionally, there would be a huge liability issue for the manufacturer of such devices who sold them to the public.

March 8, 2005, 03:50 PM	#3
Third_Rail Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 2004 Posts: 134	I've always found that amusing... "DDs (specifically explosives) are legal to own" "Can I buy that?" "No, no civilian sales." It doesn't make sense to me. Can one manufacture them with the proper permits? $200 tax each, I'd assume...

March 8, 2005, 04:40 PM	#5
Third_Rail Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 2004 Posts: 134	At least it's possible. I can dream!