.358 Cal. Hornady 158 gr XTP vs. XTP/FP

rodfac · November 27, 2016, 04:56 AM

While I've used Hornady's excellent .358 cal. 158 gr XTP bullet for may years in both a .357 Marlin 1894 CS carbine, as well as a pair of S&W M19's and a Ruger .357 BH Anniversary Model, I'm wondering what the difference is between the XTP and their XTP/FP.

I get equal accuracy with both from the Marlin on the order of 1-1/2" gps. at 100 yds from bench with a 2.5x scope mounted. Just wondering if the FP was designed for rifle vs. handgun use with regards to jacket thickness etc., and any differences in expansion/penetration at rifle speeds. I chrono'd my Marlin at 1667 fps for 5-shots recently using Winchester 296 and Magnum Federal primers. That's the speed range I'm talking about for use on KY deer.

Best Regards, and Happy Thanksgiving to all...we've got a lot to be thankful for this November!! Rod

Salmoneye · November 27, 2016, 07:28 AM

According to Hornady...

The 158gr XTP-HP has a velocity rating of between 700-1,400 FPS, where the 158gr XTP-FP is rated to open reliably from 1,200 to 1,800 FPS...

buck460XVR · November 27, 2016, 11:24 AM

Quote:

The 158gr XTP-HP has a velocity rating of between 700-1,400 FPS, where the 158gr XTP-FP is rated to open reliably from 1,200 to 1,800 FPS...

^^^This. While a shot behind the shoulder thru just ribs to the boiler room on average size deer would not be an issue, with a carbine shooting 1700 fps and shooting dead center on the shoulder like many of us do with a rifle, I prefer the JFP.

JMTCs.

rodfac · November 27, 2016, 05:53 PM

Many thx to you both, that answers it Rod

Deja vu · November 27, 2016, 09:29 PM

Both are excellent! For the HP I prefer there 140 grain but the 158 is awesome too!

NoSecondBest · November 28, 2016, 09:03 AM

I've shot just over fifty deer with the 357mag, and most were shot with Horndady XTP bullets. I have found that in both my handguns and rifles that the JHP rarely exits the animal. The FP will exit depending on the distance shot at. If you're looking for two holes it's the one to use. FWIW, I've only ever lost one deer with the handgun and that was with a 44mag.......I simply made a bad shot. Either XTP bullet will get the job done. I've never found any difference in recovering animals I've shot.

rodfac · November 29, 2016, 07:59 AM

Thanks, No2nd and Deja...good info there...I like through and through penetration...leaves a double blood trail if the shot isn't perfect. I've hunted white tail and mule deer for over 50 yrs now and lost two. Both looked like good shots, well delivered, was able to trail both for nearly 1/2 mile, but eventually the blood trail petered out; so I'm a believer in Ruark's old adage, "use enough gun"...and leave a big blood trail. Rod

November 27, 2016, 04:56 AM	#1
rodfac Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,624	.358 Cal. Hornady 158 gr XTP vs. XTP/FP While I've used Hornady's excellent .358 cal. 158 gr XTP bullet for may years in both a .357 Marlin 1894 CS carbine, as well as a pair of S&W M19's and a Ruger .357 BH Anniversary Model, I'm wondering what the difference is between the XTP and their XTP/FP. I get equal accuracy with both from the Marlin on the order of 1-1/2" gps. at 100 yds from bench with a 2.5x scope mounted. Just wondering if the FP was designed for rifle vs. handgun use with regards to jacket thickness etc., and any differences in expansion/penetration at rifle speeds. I chrono'd my Marlin at 1667 fps for 5-shots recently using Winchester 296 and Magnum Federal primers. That's the speed range I'm talking about for use on KY deer. Best Regards, and Happy Thanksgiving to all...we've got a lot to be thankful for this November!! Rod __________________ Cherish our flag, honor it, defend it in word and deed, or get the hell out. Our Bill of Rights has been paid for by heros in uniform and shall not be diluted by misguided governmental social experiments. We owe this to our children, anything less is cowardice. USAF FAC, 5th Spl Forces, Vietnam Vet '69-'73.

November 27, 2016, 05:53 PM	#4
rodfac Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,624	Many thx to you both, that answers it Rod __________________ Cherish our flag, honor it, defend it in word and deed, or get the hell out. Our Bill of Rights has been paid for by heros in uniform and shall not be diluted by misguided governmental social experiments. We owe this to our children, anything less is cowardice. USAF FAC, 5th Spl Forces, Vietnam Vet '69-'73.

November 27, 2016, 09:29 PM	#5
Deja vu Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2010 Location: Border of Idaho & Montana Posts: 2,584	Both are excellent! For the HP I prefer there 140 grain but the 158 is awesome too! __________________ Shot placement is everything! I would rather take a round of 50BMG to the foot than a 22short to the base of the skull. all 26 of my guns are 45/70 govt, 357 mag, 22 or 12 ga... I believe in keeping it simple. Wish my wife did as well...

November 29, 2016, 07:59 AM	#7
rodfac Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,624	Thanks, No2nd and Deja...good info there...I like through and through penetration...leaves a double blood trail if the shot isn't perfect. I've hunted white tail and mule deer for over 50 yrs now and lost two. Both looked like good shots, well delivered, was able to trail both for nearly 1/2 mile, but eventually the blood trail petered out; so I'm a believer in Ruark's old adage, "use enough gun"...and leave a big blood trail. Rod __________________ Cherish our flag, honor it, defend it in word and deed, or get the hell out. Our Bill of Rights has been paid for by heros in uniform and shall not be diluted by misguided governmental social experiments. We owe this to our children, anything less is cowardice. USAF FAC, 5th Spl Forces, Vietnam Vet '69-'73.

November 27, 2016, 07:28 AM	#2
Salmoneye Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 2011 Location: Vermont Posts: 2,076	According to Hornady... The 158gr XTP-HP has a velocity rating of between 700-1,400 FPS, where the 158gr XTP-FP is rated to open reliably from 1,200 to 1,800 FPS...

November 28, 2016, 09:03 AM	#6
NoSecondBest Senior Member Join Date: December 7, 2009 Location: Western New York Posts: 2,736	I've shot just over fifty deer with the 357mag, and most were shot with Horndady XTP bullets. I have found that in both my handguns and rifles that the JHP rarely exits the animal. The FP will exit depending on the distance shot at. If you're looking for two holes it's the one to use. FWIW, I've only ever lost one deer with the handgun and that was with a 44mag.......I simply made a bad shot. Either XTP bullet will get the job done. I've never found any difference in recovering animals I've shot.