Sedgley Baby Hammerless

johnwill · April 14, 2001, 12:01 PM

I'm looking for a diagram and parts list for a Sedgley Baby Hammerless revolver. I have one that's appears complete, but I suspect it's missing a trigger spring. Since I have no info, it's hard to imagine where it might go...

johnwill · April 17, 2001, 06:08 PM

I would guess that nobody has any info on this revolver...

James K · April 17, 2001, 09:42 PM

Well maybe someone does, at least in part.

The trigger spring on the Sedgley Baby Hammerless is the same spring that serves as the hammer spring. It is a weirdly complex "mousetrap" type that can be made (yes, I have done it) but I don't recommend it unless you have a lot of time or a lot of bucks to spend.

The gun is listed in the Gun Parts Corp. catalog under Henry M. Kolb, who made the gun before Sedgley got into the act. They have the springs listed as "minimum quantity or no inventory". I would try them at http://www.gunpartscorp.com; I know of no other possible source.

The problem is that the guns are interesting, but of little value. In good condition, they only bring $80-100, and most are not in good condition. Broken parts are common, broken grips even more common. Worse, modern brass case .22 ammo will not work reliably, as those guns were made in the days of copper cases and have weak hammer strikes.

Jim

johnwill · April 17, 2001, 10:00 PM

Interesting... I have the hammer spring, and it functions correctly, or so it seems. I suspect that the spring is just not installed correctly to return the trigger. FWIW, I had it apart to fix this problem, but couldn't see anything wrong. I cleaned it all up and put it back together, and it has the same problem.

As far as condition, it's actually in very good condition, and the grips are mint. It appears to have no broken parts, though the hammer extension is a little beat up from idiots dry-firing it.

I have an older Gun Parts Catalog, and I can't find it under either listing, that's one of the first places I looked. I've also been unsuccessful with an Internet search. What I'd really like to have is an exploded diagram. Knowing that the hammer spring also does the trigger, I guess I'll take another look and see if I can get it installed properly.

As far as ammo, I probably won't try firing it, but I'm kinda' picky about anything that I have being complete and operational.

Thanks for the info, I'll have another go at it...

fal308 · April 18, 2001, 08:16 AM

A couple of other possible sources that might be able to help are Western Gun Parts Ltd http://www.westerngunparts.com, Jack First Distributors http://www.1stingunparts.com and Wisner's http://www.gunpartsspecialist.com. I believe these addresses are still valid. Haven't used them in a while.

johnwill · April 18, 2001, 04:09 PM

fal308,

Thanks for the references, I'll check them out. Even if they can't help me now, they might in the future.

James K · April 18, 2001, 10:25 PM

Check to see if the end of that spring that powers the trigger might be broken off. The thing looks from the side a bit like a sideways "Y" with the long part going down into the grip, one branch of the "Y" coming up behind the hammer and the other branch going forward to power the trigger.

Jim

johnwill · April 19, 2001, 04:34 PM

Jim, I suspect that you have hit the nail on the head. I took the gun apart again, there is no extra "tang" on the spring to return the trigger. It should be interesting to find a spring like this...

You mentioned making a spring, but I guess I'm not enough of a machinist to attempt this. I can bend wire, but I can't figure out how I'd retain the temper of the spring...

phoneguy11 · March 3, 2011, 05:18 PM

Found your posting of 2001 while I was doing research on a baby hammerless.
Google patents # 1216001 for a combined rebounding, that will give you the patent diagram of the spring. mine is a mdl 1910 and is missing some parts, I would be interested in some pictures of the parts, and will share mine. I bought the book baby hammerless revolvers by frank m. sellers also and it is a pretty good source for identifying models.
Thanks,

March 3, 2011, 05:18 PM	#9
phoneguy11 Junior Member Join Date: March 2, 2011 Location: the wonderful high desert of oregon Posts: 3	baby hammerless Found your posting of 2001 while I was doing research on a baby hammerless. Google patents # 1216001 for a combined rebounding, that will give you the patent diagram of the spring. mine is a mdl 1910 and is missing some parts, I would be interested in some pictures of the parts, and will share mine. I bought the book baby hammerless revolvers by frank m. sellers also and it is a pretty good source for identifying models. Thanks,

April 14, 2001, 12:01 PM	#1
johnwill Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2000 Location: PA Posts: 3,451	I'm looking for a diagram and parts list for a Sedgley Baby Hammerless revolver. I have one that's appears complete, but I suspect it's missing a trigger spring. Since I have no info, it's hard to imagine where it might go...

April 17, 2001, 06:08 PM	#2
johnwill Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2000 Location: PA Posts: 3,451	I would guess that nobody has any info on this revolver...

April 17, 2001, 09:42 PM	#3
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Well maybe someone does, at least in part. The trigger spring on the Sedgley Baby Hammerless is the same spring that serves as the hammer spring. It is a weirdly complex "mousetrap" type that can be made (yes, I have done it) but I don't recommend it unless you have a lot of time or a lot of bucks to spend. The gun is listed in the Gun Parts Corp. catalog under Henry M. Kolb, who made the gun before Sedgley got into the act. They have the springs listed as "minimum quantity or no inventory". I would try them at http://www.gunpartscorp.com; I know of no other possible source. The problem is that the guns are interesting, but of little value. In good condition, they only bring $80-100, and most are not in good condition. Broken parts are common, broken grips even more common. Worse, modern brass case .22 ammo will not work reliably, as those guns were made in the days of copper cases and have weak hammer strikes. Jim

April 17, 2001, 10:00 PM	#4
johnwill Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2000 Location: PA Posts: 3,451	Interesting... I have the hammer spring, and it functions correctly, or so it seems. I suspect that the spring is just not installed correctly to return the trigger. FWIW, I had it apart to fix this problem, but couldn't see anything wrong. I cleaned it all up and put it back together, and it has the same problem. As far as condition, it's actually in very good condition, and the grips are mint. It appears to have no broken parts, though the hammer extension is a little beat up from idiots dry-firing it. I have an older Gun Parts Catalog, and I can't find it under either listing, that's one of the first places I looked. I've also been unsuccessful with an Internet search. What I'd really like to have is an exploded diagram. Knowing that the hammer spring also does the trigger, I guess I'll take another look and see if I can get it installed properly. As far as ammo, I probably won't try firing it, but I'm kinda' picky about anything that I have being complete and operational. Thanks for the info, I'll have another go at it...

April 18, 2001, 08:16 AM	#5
fal308 Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 12, 1998 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,992	A couple of other possible sources that might be able to help are Western Gun Parts Ltd http://www.westerngunparts.com, Jack First Distributors http://www.1stingunparts.com and Wisner's http://www.gunpartsspecialist.com. I believe these addresses are still valid. Haven't used them in a while.

April 18, 2001, 04:09 PM	#6
johnwill Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2000 Location: PA Posts: 3,451	fal308, Thanks for the references, I'll check them out. Even if they can't help me now, they might in the future.

April 18, 2001, 10:25 PM	#7
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Check to see if the end of that spring that powers the trigger might be broken off. The thing looks from the side a bit like a sideways "Y" with the long part going down into the grip, one branch of the "Y" coming up behind the hammer and the other branch going forward to power the trigger. Jim

April 19, 2001, 04:34 PM	#8
johnwill Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2000 Location: PA Posts: 3,451	Jim, I suspect that you have hit the nail on the head. I took the gun apart again, there is no extra "tang" on the spring to return the trigger. It should be interesting to find a spring like this... You mentioned making a spring, but I guess I'm not enough of a machinist to attempt this. I can bend wire, but I can't figure out how I'd retain the temper of the spring...