Found another bonus with the Dillon powder check die

jmorris · January 5, 2017, 06:24 PM

I had an ammo load stepped 9mm case somehow get by and into the machine, the powder check found it.

I wired into this particular PC die as it is an input for the PLC that normally runs this machine but it is otherwise as it came from Dillon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EU9deSKm48

**Unclenick** · January 5, 2017, 06:41 PM

Yes, those steps are pretty pronounced. I'm not surprised it found that, but it hadn't occurred to me to consider that a check die was important to catching those.

As an aside, what do the stepped cases weigh as compared to a standard case? I've never handled one.

jmorris · January 5, 2017, 07:30 PM

That stepped case was 65.9 the other was 61.9 both with primer just like any brass they vary though.

Not real sure how that one got into the collator to begin with but there are likely folks that still don't even know they exist, and wouldn't be sorting for them to begin with.

**Unclenick** · January 5, 2017, 07:52 PM

That's pretty good detection sensitivity. Equivalent to about half a grain of water capacity difference. With a spherical powders, which have bulk densities close to that of water, that would be about half a grain of powder. Less with a flake.

jmorris · January 5, 2017, 08:45 PM

That's N310 in the video, fairly dense, more so than other pistol powders.

JeepHammer · January 6, 2017, 07:10 AM

It never occurred to me to stop the auto drive, I use a solenoid to just kick the low powder case out of the machine and keep running.
(PW instead of Ammo Load)

The old plastic ink pen barrel 'Flicker' trick...
Same thing I used for finding small primer .45 cases and ejecting them.

My Dillon powder checker found a small primer in .308 case,
(One of those mysteries of the universe things, I don't have the slightest idea how a small primer got into the case in the first place)

And that powder checker finds steel cleaning pins in .308 & smaller casescases.

Yup, just decided, I MUST build a drive kill wired to the powder checker...
Just WAY too good of an idea, and now I have another reason to do it!

----
How do you like that ammo load drive?

I've been looking at one hard, but I'm butt hurt about the price & I'm an analog guy, avoiding anything requiring software to run...

jmorris · January 6, 2017, 10:18 AM

Quote:

It never occurred to me to stop the auto drive, I use a solenoid to just kick the low powder case out of the machine and keep running.
(PW instead of Ammo Load)

The old plastic ink pen barrel 'Flicker' trick...
Same thing I used for finding small primer .45 cases and ejecting them.

I don't want the machine to keep going if there is a powder problem high or low if it were to be another problem than just a single case, that would leave a bunch of primed cases and potentially quite a bit of powder dumped all over the place.

I know the old ink pen flicker trick for SPP 45, I am the one that came up with it.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...+primer+culler

It's not an ammo load.
http://thefiringline.com/forums/show...=computer+1050

JeepHammer · January 6, 2017, 01:22 PM

Well holy primers Batman, I didn't know that!
I saw it on YouTube and put my twist on it.
Thanks for the idea and work!
Saved me 'Ringers' on .308 brass, small primer pockets in .45acp brass,
And I took it further when designing my case processor and case qualifier.

Flicking that brass out is MUCH easier than stopping the machine to dig one out & restart.

I just wish you wouldn't have used such a high grade ink pen, I had to look through my desk drawer for an entire 8 seconds to find one!

jmorris · January 6, 2017, 05:29 PM

No problem, glad it helped spawn ideas. Any videos of your version(s)?

JeepHammer · January 9, 2017, 01:51 AM

*IF* I were the IT guru maybe.
I deal with gears & wires. I can barely manage still pictures.
Never learned to video edit.

jmorris · January 9, 2017, 10:53 AM

That's why all of my videos are short and to the point. None are edited, all shot and uploaded with a cell phone. None are 4 min or longer and most are well under a minute.

About the only thing I miss about living in the city is a "real" internet connection.

January 5, 2017, 06:24 PM	#1
jmorris Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2006 Posts: 3,077	Found another bonus with the Dillon powder check die I had an ammo load stepped 9mm case somehow get by and into the machine, the powder check found it. I wired into this particular PC die as it is an input for the PLC that normally runs this machine but it is otherwise as it came from Dillon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EU9deSKm48

January 5, 2017, 06:41 PM	#2
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	Yes, those steps are pretty pronounced. I'm not surprised it found that, but it hadn't occurred to me to consider that a check die was important to catching those. As an aside, what do the stepped cases weigh as compared to a standard case? I've never handled one. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

January 5, 2017, 07:52 PM	#4
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,063	That's pretty good detection sensitivity. Equivalent to about half a grain of water capacity difference. With a spherical powders, which have bulk densities close to that of water, that would be about half a grain of powder. Less with a flake. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

January 6, 2017, 07:10 AM	#6
JeepHammer Junior member Join Date: February 27, 2015 Posts: 1,768	It never occurred to me to stop the auto drive, I use a solenoid to just kick the low powder case out of the machine and keep running. (PW instead of Ammo Load) The old plastic ink pen barrel 'Flicker' trick... Same thing I used for finding small primer .45 cases and ejecting them. My Dillon powder checker found a small primer in .308 case, (One of those mysteries of the universe things, I don't have the slightest idea how a small primer got into the case in the first place) And that powder checker finds steel cleaning pins in .308 & smaller casescases. Yup, just decided, I MUST build a drive kill wired to the powder checker... Just WAY too good of an idea, and now I have another reason to do it! ---- How do you like that ammo load drive? I've been looking at one hard, but I'm butt hurt about the price & I'm an analog guy, avoiding anything requiring software to run... Last edited by JeepHammer; January 6, 2017 at 07:21 AM.

January 5, 2017, 07:30 PM	#3
jmorris Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2006 Posts: 3,077	That stepped case was 65.9 the other was 61.9 both with primer just like any brass they vary though. Not real sure how that one got into the collator to begin with but there are likely folks that still don't even know they exist, and wouldn't be sorting for them to begin with.

January 5, 2017, 08:45 PM	#5
jmorris Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2006 Posts: 3,077	That's N310 in the video, fairly dense, more so than other pistol powders.

January 6, 2017, 01:22 PM	#8
JeepHammer Junior member Join Date: February 27, 2015 Posts: 1,768	Well holy primers Batman, I didn't know that! I saw it on YouTube and put my twist on it. Thanks for the idea and work! Saved me 'Ringers' on .308 brass, small primer pockets in .45acp brass, And I took it further when designing my case processor and case qualifier. Flicking that brass out is MUCH easier than stopping the machine to dig one out & restart. I just wish you wouldn't have used such a high grade ink pen, I had to look through my desk drawer for an entire 8 seconds to find one!

January 6, 2017, 05:29 PM	#9
jmorris Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2006 Posts: 3,077	No problem, glad it helped spawn ideas. Any videos of your version(s)?

January 9, 2017, 01:51 AM	#10
JeepHammer Junior member Join Date: February 27, 2015 Posts: 1,768	IF I were the IT guru maybe. I deal with gears & wires. I can barely manage still pictures. Never learned to video edit.

January 9, 2017, 10:53 AM	#11
jmorris Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 2006 Posts: 3,077	That's why all of my videos are short and to the point. None are edited, all shot and uploaded with a cell phone. None are 4 min or longer and most are well under a minute. About the only thing I miss about living in the city is a "real" internet connection.