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Old March 22, 2020, 10:19 PM   #26
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What I cannot figure how is why people want to continue to bash them. It gets so old. And the vast majority have never even owned one. I do not own one, never have, but I have shot many that were nice guns and know owners that have enjoyed them for years.
If you do not like them, simply do not buy one. Others that own them and like them is fine with me. And I know some guys that can do some serious shooting with them.
It is one of those internet things. Start a thread to bash a Taurus. Actually kind of funny in some ways.

I do not have a clue that Taurus is at the bottom. I know they sell a ton of guns and have for years. Where are the figures to back up all this info. I never see it. I just hear some new guy come along and start bashing.
Why the bashing on the TX22? I see good reports, see some bad one's. See good reports on the new Glock 44, see some bad one's. The Sig 365 had all kinds of Problems when new. Last I checked they are a good company. Just had some problems. Why not bash them?

Like I said, if you do not prefer a Taurus them simply do not buy one. What is the big deal?
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Old March 22, 2020, 11:42 PM   #27
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That’s kinda my point. Every firearm manufacturer lets out bad ones now and then.....
That's true, but there's a difference when Taurus does it at $400 and when Ruger does it at $600 and S&W at $800.

I can accept the cheaper gun getting by QC because they don't do 100% inspections, but when a gun twice as much can have issues, I have to wonder if I'm getting my money's worth.

With Ruger's CS being so fast from what I hear, I can understand paying a bit more for them, but when I hear S&W CS is taking almost as long as Taurus is to get things right, that scares me.

Fact is any of them can ship junk and when I open the box I expect to see problems instead of expecting to get something good.
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Old March 23, 2020, 10:18 AM   #28
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*shrugs*

Between my family and I there are a total of 5 Taurus brand firearms in my household. All of them have proven to be 100% reliable.
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Old March 23, 2020, 10:36 AM   #29
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in the 90s I owned several Taurus revolvers. a stainless bobbed hammer model 85, a blued standard model 85, a centennial type 850 cia ti, a stainless .22mag snub, a stainless 4" .22mag, and an early .25 acp. except for the .25acp they were all well made guns. today's guns I cannot comment on from personal experience. nor can I comment on their customer service that way because I never needed it.
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Old March 24, 2020, 04:06 PM   #30
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I have owned Taurus® firearms since 1995, 25 years. The following has been my experience...

I have eleven Taurus® revolvers.............
• Mdl 85B2CH 38 Special - 1995
• Mdl 669SS4CP 357 Magnum - 1996
• Mdl 85B2 38 Special - 1997
• Mdl 617SS2 357 Magnum - 2003
• Mdl 605SS3 357 Magnum - 2006
• Mdl 85SS2UL 38 Special - 2007
• Mdl 605SS2 357 Magnum - 2010
• Mdl 605SS2 357 Magnum - 2012
• Mdl 425SS2 41 Magnum - 2012
• Mdl 85SS2UL 38 Special - 2012
• Mdl 992B4 22LR/22Magnum - 2013

All have performed superbly and I continue to shoot them all almost every week.

I have only encountered these problems.........
• Mdl 85B2CH broke a firing pin (part# 19) after 11,000+ rounds. I replaced the firing pin & it's still going strong.
• Mdl 85SS2UL had the cylinder stop (part# 44) wear down after 10,000 rounds. Called Taurus® and they shipped the part right away. Installed new cylinder stop and now the gun works fine.

Anytime I had to send a gun in they fixed and returned it when they said they would. Specifically.....................
• Mdl 617 developed excessive cylinder to forcing cone gap (.011") after almost 6,000 rounds. I sent it to Taurus® and they replaced the cylinder (part# 8) and adjusted the yoke (part# 9) *I've since put 5,000+ rounds through it and it's still going strong.
• Mdl 605SS2 Locked up after 5,500+ rounds. Sent the gun in and Taurus said the problem was not repairable. Taurus®, in turn, sent me a new gun.

I will not hesitate to buy additional Taurus® revolvers.
They are an outstanding value. Here is the best resource for Taurus® information on the net...
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Old March 24, 2020, 07:14 PM   #31
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They do sell !!!

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I'll give you, this much ;
I will probably never buy another "new" Taurus. They just aren't that attractive to me. However, I would never criticize any person that does. They are very serviceable and for the most part, reliable. ….

A few months back, I read that they outsell, most of the dominant manufactures, by a long-shot. Let's face it, they do sell ad they would not be in business if they didn't….

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Old March 24, 2020, 08:13 PM   #32
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I have a little Taurus Spectrum 380 my son got me. I have put over a thousand rounds through it without the first hiccup. I pocket carry it now instead of my Ruger
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Old March 25, 2020, 10:38 PM   #33
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I've only owned one Taurus, a PT99 9MM. I bought it off a co-worker probably around 1987/88 for $200. His wife had just had a baby and it was get rid of the gun or else. Well I've taken a liking to that Brazilian Beretta. It doesn't have a drop hammer safety which surprised me but is set up to carry in condition one just like a 1911. It's about as accurate as I can shoot, hasn't failed me yet with one exception I shoot a lot of cast bullet loads at full power in the gun and at first the rounds wouldn't chamber fully and I had to seat the bullets the rest of the way by pushing the slide with my thumb. Seating the bullets slightly deeper took care of that problem. While its not a gun I shoot a lot I figure I've run somewhere between 1,100 to maybe 1,500 through the gun without a problem, the exception being the cast bullet loads mentioned. I like the gun, nuff said?
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Old March 27, 2020, 07:37 PM   #34
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I have had a PT-99 for over 30 years. Never a problem. Got one of the first 44 Magnum Raging Bulls and it has had many full power Magnum handload through it, no trouble. Got one of their 1911's the first year they came out, I'm thinking more than 15 years ago. Never had a problem with it after 1000's of rounds. So happy with it I just picked up a Commander version.
To be fair, I used to work at a gun store, and we had trouble with about 50% of the Model 85's (38 Special snubs) that we sold. This was 1989 - 1992. Return to Taurus USA turnaround was never longer than 4 to 6 weeks, but we just started fixing them in house to save time and get them back to the customer.
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Old March 28, 2020, 07:44 AM   #35
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My vintage mid 80's model PT-99 9mm and 66 .357 have never had any issues, both accurate and dependable. Thousands of hot rounds through both.
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Old March 28, 2020, 09:04 AM   #36
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There are two Tauruses in my household, a Model 94 .22LR I bought for my daughter to shoot, and a TCP .380 that my wife bought for herself because she likes it.

No failures of any kind, and fit and finish is fine. The only thing I dislike about either is that the DA trigger pull on the 94 is very heavy, so I may trade it someday for a .22LR that’s easier for my daughter to shoot double-action (or a semiauto). And I actually like the TCP a bit better than Gen-1 LCP’s, though I haven’t shot a Gen-2 yet; I personally think Taurus replacing the TCP with the Spectrum was a mistake.

Both my primary pistols are S&W’s, BTW, so I’m not a “rah rah Taurus” fan by any means. But I’d certainly buy another if the price were right and it was a design I liked.
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Old March 28, 2020, 10:04 AM   #37
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I shot 50 rounds through a Taurus .38 spl once...
I was really disappointed by the lack of accuracy.
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Old March 28, 2020, 10:23 AM   #38
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From what I've read from others… I think most of the Taurus bashing comes from their poor customer service. when they crank out a lemon it takes a few calendar pages to get it fixed by the company and usually some out of pocket expenses from the poor sap that bought it.
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Old March 28, 2020, 01:08 PM   #39
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Customer service & trust is vital in the firearm world and Taurus is at the bottom when it comes to both.
If you think this it true, then clearly there are a number of guns you are not familiar with. Raven, Jennings, Lorcan, R&G, Rohm, Ruby, just off the top of my head and I know there are others. I've had bad experience with Llamas (both kinds )

I don't own any Taurus pistols, simply for the fact that they don't have anything I want. I'm not the typical consumer (or what I assume is typical from what I read on the net). If I'm buying a S&W .357, I'm not buying it because I want a .357, I'm buying it because I want that S&W. Am not buying a Taurus, ROssi, Ruger, or COLT, I'm buying a particular S&W, because its what I want.

Likewise, if I'm, buying a Ruger, its because I want THAT Ruger. Etc.
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Old March 28, 2020, 01:45 PM   #40
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We own 2 941 UL's and a PT 1911 in 9 mm. All 3 have 1000's of trouble free rounds through them.
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Old March 28, 2020, 02:54 PM   #41
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Maybe because they are tired of seeing a brand demonized because it isn't some charished approved brand. Or because the company isn't from the United States.
Maybe because they haven't experienced any of the claimed problems, and look at the attacks as overblown. Probably overblown because of the first reason I mentioned.
I personally only have two guns from Taurus. One revolver, one semi-auto. With my experience there is no reason to not buy another.
I have personally owned three Taurus firearms, and tried to repair another. With my experience, I would never buy another Taurus, and I would never recommend that anyone else do so.

My first is a 942. I needed something in a .22 LR for use in teaching NRA Basic Pistol classes, and the Taurus was about a hundred bucks cheaper than a Charter Arms, so I bought the Taurus. That one has been okay.

Second up was a Model 63, which I bought because it was a near copy of my grandfather's Winchester 1903, the gun on which I learned to shoot. I own the 1903, but (for those who aren't familiar with it) it takes a proprietary .22 Winchester Automatic cartridge that doesn't fit any other firearm -- and for the longest time nobody made ammo for it. So I bought the Taurus. Then along came Aguila, and they started offering .22 WA. It's pricey, but I could once again shoot my grandfather''s rifle. I took both to the range one day and shot them side by side. The old Winchester made the Taurus look like a shotgun. I sold the Taurus soon after.

Third up was a .327 Magnum (I don't recall the model number). It's built on the same small frame as the 942, but there was a major difference -- it didn't work out of the box. In DA mode you couldn't pull the trigger, and in single action mode you couldn't cock the hammer. I bought it on a close-out from CDNN and I didn't trust Taurus customer service, so I decided to deal with it. The gunsmith at the range took pity on me and took it in -- he gave up. I took it home, disassembled it, and started removing casting flash from here and there throughout the frame with a set of jewelers files. After a lot of filing, assembling, testing, disassembling, more filing, more testing, and more reassembling I finally got it to where it works 100% of the time in SA mode and maybe 90% in DA mode. I didn't keep track, but I'd estimate that I put maybe 20 hours (no less) into it, and I don't know how many hours the gunsmith spent on it.

Last up, the range had a Taurus 1911 as a range rental. Something in the firing pin safety system broke. The range owner knows that 1911s are my specialty so he asked me if I could try to fix it. Sure, no problem (I thought, naively). I took it home. First clue that all was not right was that the extractor didn't come out like any other Series 80 pistol I had ever seen. I got it out, I installed a new (Colt) plunger and spring, reassembled it, and it hand cycled and passed all tests on the bench. I took it back to the range. A week later the owner told me the first person who rented it had it lock up after about five shots. The firing pin safety plunger fell half out during the recoil cycle, and the slide wouldn't close. At that point, the owner got on the phone to Taurus. Turns out their Series 80 system is proprietary, and Colt parts won't work in a Taurus 1911. (Which we had proved, conclusively.) So he asked them to send him the parts. Oh, no -- he had to send them the gun so they could install the parts. Twelve weeks later the gun came back. I believe he sold it at that point -- I know it's not in the rental case any more.

There's a reason why people say, "Friends don't let friends buy Taurus."
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Old March 28, 2020, 06:49 PM   #42
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I shot 50 rounds through a Taurus .38 spl once...
I was really disappointed by the lack of accuracy.
Did you try other ammo?
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There are two Tauruses in my household, a Model 94 .22LR I bought for my daughter to shoot, and a TCP .380 that my wife bought for herself because she likes it.

No failures of any kind, and fit and finish is fine. The only thing I dislike about either is that the DA trigger pull on the 94 is very heavy, so I may trade it someday for a .22LR that’s easier for my daughter to shoot double-action (or a semiauto). And I actually like the TCP a bit better than Gen-1 LCP’s, though I haven’t shot a Gen-2 yet; I personally think Taurus replacing the TCP with the Spectrum was a mistake.

Both my primary pistols are S&W’s, BTW, so I’m not a “rah rah Taurus” fan by any means. But I’d certainly buy another if the price were right and it was a design I liked.
.22 revolvers triggers in double action normally are heavy, it's inherent in the function of igniting a rimfire primer. The only slight praise I have ever heard in regards to a .22 revolver's DA trigger that cost less than $800 is Charter Arms.

And for those who bought a used S&W Master K or whatever on a steal for $500 from your range buddies widow, that doesn't count.
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I bought a PT111 G2C a few years ago to give it a try since I was hearing some good things and the price was right. The gun never functioned right, feeding problems with most everything I put in it. Sent back for repair, came back the same. Wound up at an LGS where I knew the owner, he figured he could make it work, so I traded it in. It was actually a nice pistol that fit my hand nicely, but completely unreliable and not really very accurate.

I know people who really like their Taurus guns, but my experience was less than desirable and I would not own another at this point. Some folks have success with them, and some don’t. Taurus service is not impressive in my opinion. I do not see any gain in bashing Taurus though...I don’t bash other people’s guns; why ruin their joy?
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Old March 28, 2020, 10:02 PM   #45
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Taurus model 85, TX22, PT22 all have worked well for me. If you don't like a certain brand don't buy it.
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Old March 29, 2020, 03:56 AM   #46
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Did you try other ammo?
Nope - no need to. It was obvious to me it was the gun.
The way the trigger felt -- threw everything off.

I decided that Taurus just wasn't for me. I'm not knocking the brand - just saying in my hands, they aren't accurate enough for me.

I feel exactly the same way about a Ruger (D/A).
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Old March 29, 2020, 07:10 AM   #47
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I think Taurus got what they deserved with the way they dealt with their patrons, both the loyalists and the whiners. Their problem was they screwed both with equal fervor, deciding not to do the right thing but rather mitigate damages and listen to their lawyers. When they found a safety issue with their design, they should have fixed or replaced it. When you replace something it should be of equal value. I buy a 27/4 OSS/DS for $450, don't offer to replace it with a gun you sell for $235. Another issue with Taurus is they failed to idiot proof their guns; who the hell put their weapon on safe while holding down the trigger? Their life-time warranty that they boasted has now been reneged on; it's no wonder they aren't members of our Congress. Over all though, the pieces themselves; you either got a good shooting firearm, or a dog.

Now with all the pro-American rhetoric and buy American BS spewing from many lips here, all I can say is; Remington. And now we have the pot calling the kettle black.
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I shot 50 rounds through a Taurus .38 spl once...
I was really disappointed by the lack of accuracy.
The first time I shot a 38 Special snub nose revolver, I found it was very inaccurate and I thought it was the gun. Then, I learned how to shoot one and found out it was not the gun at all. I have since bought a Taurus 856 revolver that is 38 Special and a Taurus 605 that is 357 but also shoots 38 Special and they are as accurate as any short barreled semi-auto that I have shot.

I think a lot of Taurus bashing is because inexperienced people buy them because they are cheap and they blame operator error on the gun.
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I think a lot of Taurus bashing is because inexperienced people buy them because they are cheap and they blame operator error on the gun.
Believe me - it wasn't the ammo & it wasn't the operator - it was - the gun.

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Old March 30, 2020, 04:32 AM   #50
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I owned 6+ Taurus guns in the past now I have 5 and its a like and hate with Taurus.

an old school revolver I forgot the model number, from the 90's which is a joy to shoot.

A model 94 which I was lucky to find the last one on the shelf in late 2014 after they were stopped production. About 3,000 rounds fired. I actually owned one before this and sold it stupidly...

A G2C which has horrible accuracy, replaced sights with lakeline and no go. Aims low left about 3 inches. 500 + rounds no problems with factory 12 round magazines. Mec Gar Sig p226 had problems with feed lips, the new G3 magazines work fine (YELLOW FOLLOWERS).

A G3 which does the same horrible accuracy and low left, painful to shoot. 300 rounds fired no problems.

A Model 605 which is my snake gun. I have had about 150 rounds through it. Mix of 38 and 357. Shoots low with light grain weight, harder to find the heaver 38 loads here.

I had a PT Poly 22 SS model which was very snappy and hurt when fired. I heard of reports the frame cracking, I had key holes, got it repaired under 8 weeks and sold it.

Honestly I like the model 94 and old school the best. My G2C and G3 are beaters which I put in tool bags when I am working outside.

If I had to do it all over again, I rather have bought a CZ82 or Makarov years ago and replaced with the Taurus semi autos. I really wanted the TX22 but after problems with my G2C and G3 I doubt it. My Mark IV and M9-22lr are the most reliable semi auto 22's I have seen.


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You need to use a higher grain weight, my 605 shot low with light ammo. I was using 125/130 grains you need the 158 stuff.

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