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January 16, 2019, 05:07 PM | #26 | |
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As I said earlier, you did a good job ( rather exceptional) job at observing critical nuances as well as how those nuances translated into potential danger. I am simply a firm supporter of the basic edicts of personal safety and I would have made at least a passing effort to avoid giving them an opportunity to confront me. I am not saying I would sit in my car for an hour or significantly derail my plans because 3 guys look suspicious in a parking lot but I would have done a little more before grabbing a gun. That's just me
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January 16, 2019, 06:57 PM | #27 | |
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Nobody made you post about this incident. You chose to do so. I don't know what your motive was in doing so, but surely you must have understood that by posting you would invite comments. If you weren't prepared to accept comments that have been offered in good faith, then -- candidly -- you should not have posted the story. |
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January 16, 2019, 08:48 PM | #28 |
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What he said. Also, please don't blame it on being from Texas. A lot of us in Texas can take constructive criticism. I wouldn't have wanted to turn my back to those guys, either. But I wouldn't have felt a need to stop and engage with them. Just walk past and into the hotel, probably with my hand on my gun, but probably not a drawn gun. |
January 16, 2019, 09:25 PM | #29 |
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Chaparral, I'm not trying to pile on. You mentioned a little about your training and experience in a prior post and I'm sure you recall hearing about the concept "tombstone courage" at some point in your training/travels, right? It is a good perspective to keep in mind and I should mention most of us aren't beyond making similar mistakes. Realistically though, would you have wanted your sig other or say one of your kids to handle that situation as you did?
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January 16, 2019, 09:44 PM | #30 |
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It's major pucker factor, and I'm glad it turned out ok for you.
I had a somewhat similar encounter 'years' ago when I stumbled upon then held 2 burglars at gunpoint till the cops showed up. You don't know what the bad guys are going to do, it's very easy to Monday-morning-quarterback-should'of-would'of... whatever. Congrats on surviving.
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January 16, 2019, 09:52 PM | #31 |
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TXAZ, I think he described a situation substantially different from you being in a situation where you're holding two burglars at bay. And quite frankly, if one or both of the two burglary suspects you were detaining had decided to get up and run, if you had shot them you probably would have spent some time in prison in most jurisdictions in the U.S.
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January 16, 2019, 10:25 PM | #32 |
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Who the hell would shoot someone running away??
As far as I know, only a bad guy or girl. |
January 16, 2019, 10:40 PM | #33 |
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Spread out at 10, 12 and 2 o'clock?
Engaged the person in a useless conversation as a means of distraction? It was certainly an intended armed robbery and they weren't fundraising for the Salvation Army.
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January 16, 2019, 10:41 PM | #34 |
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^^^^ Someone who thinks it is ok to shoot a fleeing suspected burglar.
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January 17, 2019, 08:47 AM | #35 |
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Not going to comment on what the gent did or didn't do BUT if the guy with a bottle, turned it around to act like a bludgeon, and feeling threatened, you shot him....not sure if the resulting LEO would view this as a 'stand your ground' issue..I don't know but it probably would have opened a YUGE can of worms for you.
Ahh, once again, RTFP, Read The Farging Posts...OP knew his rights and was prepared in case the situation escalated to something 'life threatening'... Guy in a neighborhood close to mine..got outta car in his driveway..guy walked up, smacked him with something and stole his wallet. If I saw somebody wandering around my street(cul-de-sac) that I didn't recognize, I would get outta car, watch him..and maybe with my CCW weapon, out, behind my leg. If he approached, at distance, confront politely, 'can I help you' type stuff..if he says nothing, continues to close, if he has anything in his hand..he's going to see my gun...
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January 17, 2019, 09:55 AM | #37 |
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We are beating this to death. The sensible consensus, with no insult to the OP, is that avoidance was the more reasonable action path.
For the general readership, quality FOF training will give you a feel for what happens in such situations. I don't want to close it but can we not be repetitous? It's not really a poll.
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January 17, 2019, 01:35 PM | #38 |
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This comment is not specific to the OP,its a general comment.
Remember youths pack cellphones. They can use communications tactically. If I see three,and I'm totally focused on my 10,12,and 2 oclock...my tunnel vision leaves me vulnerable to a ball pein hammer to the base of my skull from number 4 thug. And checking 6 oclock is a moments distraction from the immediate frontal threat. "Looks like a potential ambush" is another good hunch to listen to. Wisdom ain't the same as chicken. |
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What ever happened to these 3 scary men? Did they ever do anything to anyone? Did you report them? Did the police come and check them out?
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You keep describing them as three hispanic males with face tats. In my experience three guys of any race with face tats outside a cheap hotel late at night is a big warning sign.
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January 17, 2019, 08:25 PM | #42 |
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In all fairness, it sounds like he was simply describing what he saw. If they were Asian, White, Native American, black, Pacific Islander looking men with face tattoos, he probably would have said the same thing. These were 3 men that he seemingly suspected were up to no good.. mentioning their race within this context is not unusual.
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Mainah please forgive me for just stating fact in the story. Next time anything happens to me I'll make sure they are Caucasians, white, anglo-saxon, (not sure what politically correct term you want). Also I will make a donation to the ACLU and Hug a Thug Foundation and I won't wear my MAGA hat for 1 month. And I'll put a Beto I'm a Dork or whatever his name sign is up in my shed. Does that soothe your exposed politically correct nerve? I'm sure I'll get another "uncalled for sarcasm" moment brought to you by Aguila Blanca, but a statement such as yours needs some sarcasm. And I was wrong to judge guys with face tats. Hell maybe a travelling circus was in town. Maybe they were clowns without their red noses. Maybe there was a tattoo convention in town.
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January 17, 2019, 10:15 PM | #45 |
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This one has been beat to death and picked apart. I usually just talk about reloading and rifles. I promise I will stay there from now on. And if I talk about AR15s I promise I won't refer to it as a black rifle. Ya'll take care
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January 17, 2019, 10:24 PM | #46 |
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I hope that after all this you get more out of it than some people were mean as I honestly believe a number of posters here were trying to offer additional perspectives. The amount of deflection and snark in these responses makes me think you won't, but hope springs eternal. Stay safe.
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I think that this incident has been rehashed pretty well. If anyone has any additional insight into this type of situation that hasn't already been mentioned in the discussion thus far, let me know and I'll reopen the thread to allow the post to be added.
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