Help Identifying rifle (Mauser???) with NO markings

offroadmatt · January 13, 2019, 04:13 PM

Alright you guys saved me once on a Turkish Mauser with a missing bolt. How about some help on this thing. I have no idea what it is. The only marking is some crests stamped on the bottom and one faded on the side. Im fairly certain the rifle was sportrirzed at some point as it’s chambered in 7mm-06 Imp. and has a nice wood stock that was glass pressure bed some time ago. The safety is really throwing me off. Trigger looks like a Mauser style. Front looks like a mauser ring. Claw extractor makes me thing Mauser. But that safety.... Also unsure about the recoil lug. I'm sure one of you guro's will take one look and know.

offroadmatt · January 13, 2019, 04:14 PM

Some more pics

offroadmatt · January 13, 2019, 04:19 PM

If dimensions are critical I can get receiver diameter, trigger guard screw spacing, etc.... Possibly even pop barrel off for tenion thread diam. and pitch if none of the other stuff helps.

oldscot3 · January 13, 2019, 06:32 PM

Enfield model p17 probably

oldscot3 · January 13, 2019, 06:33 PM

The bolt handle was reforged I guess as originally they were sort of "dog legged".

Also the rear sight "ears" or "wings" were removed so the rear bridge could be reshaped for accepting a scope mount.

oldscot3 · January 13, 2019, 06:37 PM

After the war Remington continued production, selling them as the model 30.

offroadmatt · January 14, 2019, 09:34 AM

I feel like a moron. I even looked at enfields in my two hour search of the internet. The rear sight threw me way off. Thanks for the help. Whoever "sportirzied" this thing did a pretty good job. The receiver is perfectly reshaped. And the mag well was opened up nicely. The bolt is jeweled as well as the forged bolt handle. The bolt was also modified to cock on opening. Which is why i have it. The cocking piece is broke and the gun fires when closing the bolt. Looks like this thing will be getting a new dayton trigger and cocking piece.

Blindstitch · January 14, 2019, 12:51 PM

It looks a lot more Model 30 than M1917. But I wouldn't be surprised if parts were interchangeable. I thought there were a few more variations to that style but I'd have to check in my bolt action rifle book.

If it were a m1917 then the scope mount is probably covering the manufacture marks and serial.

gwpercle · January 14, 2019, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by offroadmatt

I feel like a moron. I even looked at enfields in my two hour search of the internet. The rear sight threw me way off. Thanks for the help. Whoever "sportirzied" this thing did a pretty good job. The receiver is perfectly reshaped. And the mag well was opened up nicely. The bolt is jeweled as well as the forged bolt handle. The bolt was also modified to cock on opening. Which is why i have it. The cocking piece is broke and the gun fires when closing the bolt. Looks like this thing will be getting a new dayton trigger and cocking piece.

Someone put a lot of work into Sporterizing this one.
For me that safety was the dead giveaway of it's identity.
I would guess it started life as a military 1917 action.
I think it's a neat action and if mine see if I could restock it ...7mm-06 Improved, that sounds like an awesome project .
Gary

oldscot3 · January 14, 2019, 10:05 PM

The magazine well may have been opened up but then again maybe not, they were pretty long to begin with. A-Square used those actions back in the day for some of their custom magnum caliber rifles.

Also, I didn't see any pics of your floorplate; issue P14s and P17s had a drop to them. A pretty common mod when sporterizing was to cut and reweld them so they were flat.

Thirty years ago those rifles were cheap (real cheap), I had a couple I played with. I think I still have a P14 action in a drawer somewhere, I wanted to build a custom 405 chambered rifle.

offroadmatt · January 15, 2019, 09:33 AM

I don't have any pictures of the floor plate with me. But I'll be sure to post one later. Also going to take the scope off and see if there is anything under it as I need a S/N for my books. Does the "Flaming Bomb" on the left side of the receiver date it earlier then a Remington 30? My understanding is that was a mark used by the Ordnance department. Can't recall if Remington made any of these for the war. Or if they adopted the design after.

I only think the receiver opening was opened up as it doesn't have a stripper clip cutout. But I'm not certain if all did to begin with.

armednfree · January 17, 2019, 12:21 PM

1917 with the ears removed. Common at one time. Hell for strong action. Or commercial. With no markings I would say commercial.

offroadmatt · January 20, 2019, 02:50 PM

Well wouldn't you know. I pulled the scope and mount off. And plain as day "U.S. Model 1917" Remington Serial Number XXXXX.

oldscot3 · January 20, 2019, 08:05 PM

Did I win a prize; maybe I get a gold star sticker?

offroadmatt · January 22, 2019, 11:14 AM

I'll definitely buy you a cold beverage if our paths ever cross! But for now you should at least give yourself a pat on the back.

January 14, 2019, 12:51 PM	#8
Blindstitch Senior Member Join Date: April 14, 2013 Location: Milwaukee, Wisconsin Posts: 2,693	It looks a lot more Model 30 than M1917. But I wouldn't be surprised if parts were interchangeable. I thought there were a few more variations to that style but I'd have to check in my bolt action rifle book. If it were a m1917 then the scope mount is probably covering the manufacture marks and serial. __________________ NRA Lifetime Member

January 13, 2019, 04:19 PM	#3
offroadmatt Member Join Date: January 7, 2018 Posts: 29	If dimensions are critical I can get receiver diameter, trigger guard screw spacing, etc.... Possibly even pop barrel off for tenion thread diam. and pitch if none of the other stuff helps.

January 13, 2019, 06:32 PM	#4
oldscot3 Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2007 Location: texas Posts: 997	Enfield model p17 probably

January 13, 2019, 06:33 PM	#5
oldscot3 Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2007 Location: texas Posts: 997	The bolt handle was reforged I guess as originally they were sort of "dog legged". Also the rear sight "ears" or "wings" were removed so the rear bridge could be reshaped for accepting a scope mount.

January 13, 2019, 06:37 PM	#6
oldscot3 Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2007 Location: texas Posts: 997	After the war Remington continued production, selling them as the model 30.

January 14, 2019, 09:34 AM	#7
offroadmatt Member Join Date: January 7, 2018 Posts: 29	I feel like a moron. I even looked at enfields in my two hour search of the internet. The rear sight threw me way off. Thanks for the help. Whoever "sportirzied" this thing did a pretty good job. The receiver is perfectly reshaped. And the mag well was opened up nicely. The bolt is jeweled as well as the forged bolt handle. The bolt was also modified to cock on opening. Which is why i have it. The cocking piece is broke and the gun fires when closing the bolt. Looks like this thing will be getting a new dayton trigger and cocking piece.

January 14, 2019, 10:05 PM	#10
oldscot3 Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2007 Location: texas Posts: 997	The magazine well may have been opened up but then again maybe not, they were pretty long to begin with. A-Square used those actions back in the day for some of their custom magnum caliber rifles. Also, I didn't see any pics of your floorplate; issue P14s and P17s had a drop to them. A pretty common mod when sporterizing was to cut and reweld them so they were flat. Thirty years ago those rifles were cheap (real cheap), I had a couple I played with. I think I still have a P14 action in a drawer somewhere, I wanted to build a custom 405 chambered rifle.

January 15, 2019, 09:33 AM	#11
offroadmatt Member Join Date: January 7, 2018 Posts: 29	I don't have any pictures of the floor plate with me. But I'll be sure to post one later. Also going to take the scope off and see if there is anything under it as I need a S/N for my books. Does the "Flaming Bomb" on the left side of the receiver date it earlier then a Remington 30? My understanding is that was a mark used by the Ordnance department. Can't recall if Remington made any of these for the war. Or if they adopted the design after. I only think the receiver opening was opened up as it doesn't have a stripper clip cutout. But I'm not certain if all did to begin with.

January 17, 2019, 12:21 PM	#12
armednfree Senior Member Join Date: October 30, 2016 Posts: 211	1917 with the ears removed. Common at one time. Hell for strong action. Or commercial. With no markings I would say commercial.

January 20, 2019, 02:50 PM	#13
offroadmatt Member Join Date: January 7, 2018 Posts: 29	Well wouldn't you know. I pulled the scope and mount off. And plain as day "U.S. Model 1917" Remington Serial Number XXXXX.

January 20, 2019, 08:05 PM	#14
oldscot3 Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2007 Location: texas Posts: 997	Did I win a prize; maybe I get a gold star sticker?

January 22, 2019, 11:14 AM	#15
offroadmatt Member Join Date: January 7, 2018 Posts: 29	I'll definitely buy you a cold beverage if our paths ever cross! But for now you should at least give yourself a pat on the back.