The Ultimate Combat Shotgun - The AA-12...does any army now use it? - Page 2

kx592 · July 23, 2010, 07:59 PM

I dont see a purpose for it after talking with my buddy who served in Afghanistan and was injured and discharged, its "illegal" to intentionally kill with any shotgun over there so buying this beastly new toy would seem pointless. They are only used for breaching.

Glenn E. Meyer · August 1, 2010, 09:18 PM

It will go the way of that weird South African double barrel (not a standard double barrel) gun that was so you could carry different rounds in each tube.

I think it appeals to TV shows and fan boys.

How about the guns from Aliens? Or are we a serious list? :barf:

jokester_143 · August 2, 2010, 04:25 AM

kx592

Honestly, I doubt that the R.O.E. has gotten that bad. I know when I was in Iraq, after the transition of authority happened, we were supposed to exercise less lethal means if possible. Our less lethal means were shotguns with various rubber type ammo and "bean bags" and M203's with "nerf" rounds. I do not think that, if the situation called for it, that someone would get in trouble for use lethal force on a belligerent with a shotgun. Lethal force, regardless of weapon type is lethal...

Some of our guys only carried a shotgun and a pistol if they were assigned to carry less lethal means...

Double Naught Spy · August 2, 2010, 05:14 AM

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This post makes me laff...

FUTURE WEAPONS anyone?

Auto shotties aren't exactly new.

No, but the recoil control feature is fairly unique, especially for a full auto shotgun.

ISC · August 2, 2010, 06:09 AM

When we got here, at first they wouldn't issue 40mm rounds, then they took away the 320s (H&K made grenade launcher replacement for the 203). They never issued the shotguns out of the armory. Shotguns are specialty weapons for narrowly coonfined purposes. US strategy is to keep out of the enemy's range as much as possible. If anything the pressure is to increase range by adopting different loadings for the 5.56 or making greater use of designated marksmen. Shotguns have little or no use on todays battlfield.

Shotguns are great in video games though, and people whose "military experience" comes solely from games and movies will always think highly of them.

jokester_143 · August 2, 2010, 12:52 PM

ISC

Where are you at/were at? Iraq or the Afghan? It doesn't make too much sense to try to keep distance and take away/not issue 203/320's... We were in Southern Baghdad and had them.

ISC · August 2, 2010, 02:12 PM

Jokester check your PM

thesheepdog · August 2, 2010, 04:00 PM

I don't see a reason to have one in War. I can see Swat using them easily.
If it were me in battle, I would have my Carbine, pistol and a sawed off 12g double barrel on my back, just-in-case.

jokester_143 · August 3, 2010, 12:18 AM

thesheepdog

A double barrel is one of the most impractical shotguns to consider for combat.

Some of the Allied countries in the first World War had breach loaded shotguns while the U.S. used a pump action shotgun.

FoxtrotRomeo · August 3, 2010, 12:55 AM

People tried to say the M16 didn't need to be cleaned either. That turned out reeeeaaalllll well... [/sarcasm]

I really don't believe that one bit.

jokester_143 · August 3, 2010, 02:13 AM

FoxtrotRomeo

Maybe they weren't expecting people to live long enough to clean them...

August 1, 2010, 09:18 PM	#27
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	It will go the way of that weird South African double barrel (not a standard double barrel) gun that was so you could carry different rounds in each tube. I think it appeals to TV shows and fan boys. How about the guns from Aliens? Or are we a serious list? :barf: __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

August 2, 2010, 04:25 AM	#28
jokester_143 Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2010 Location: Montana Posts: 135	kx592 Honestly, I doubt that the R.O.E. has gotten that bad. I know when I was in Iraq, after the transition of authority happened, we were supposed to exercise less lethal means if possible. Our less lethal means were shotguns with various rubber type ammo and "bean bags" and M203's with "nerf" rounds. I do not think that, if the situation called for it, that someone would get in trouble for use lethal force on a belligerent with a shotgun. Lethal force, regardless of weapon type is lethal... Some of our guys only carried a shotgun and a pistol if they were assigned to carry less lethal means... __________________ M&P 15, XD:M .40cal, Mossberg 500 with Knox tactical stock and now also a XD:M 3.8 in .40cal...

August 2, 2010, 12:52 PM	#31
jokester_143 Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2010 Location: Montana Posts: 135	ISC Where are you at/were at? Iraq or the Afghan? It doesn't make too much sense to try to keep distance and take away/not issue 203/320's... We were in Southern Baghdad and had them. __________________ M&P 15, XD:M .40cal, Mossberg 500 with Knox tactical stock and now also a XD:M 3.8 in .40cal...

August 2, 2010, 04:00 PM	#33
thesheepdog Senior Member Join Date: May 12, 2010 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 1,996	I don't see a reason to have one in War. I can see Swat using them easily. If it were me in battle, I would have my Carbine, pistol and a sawed off 12g double barrel on my back, just-in-case. __________________ Krav Maga/Judo Qualified Rifleman/Marksmanship Instructor/Lic. Medic "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit" Romans 8:1

August 3, 2010, 12:18 AM	#34
jokester_143 Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2010 Location: Montana Posts: 135	thesheepdog A double barrel is one of the most impractical shotguns to consider for combat. Some of the Allied countries in the first World War had breach loaded shotguns while the U.S. used a pump action shotgun. __________________ M&P 15, XD:M .40cal, Mossberg 500 with Knox tactical stock and now also a XD:M 3.8 in .40cal...

July 23, 2010, 07:59 PM	#26
kx592 Senior Member Join Date: August 9, 2009 Posts: 645	I dont see a purpose for it after talking with my buddy who served in Afghanistan and was injured and discharged, its "illegal" to intentionally kill with any shotgun over there so buying this beastly new toy would seem pointless. They are only used for breaching.

August 2, 2010, 06:09 AM	#30
ISC Junior member Join Date: August 5, 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,982	When we got here, at first they wouldn't issue 40mm rounds, then they took away the 320s (H&K made grenade launcher replacement for the 203). They never issued the shotguns out of the armory. Shotguns are specialty weapons for narrowly coonfined purposes. US strategy is to keep out of the enemy's range as much as possible. If anything the pressure is to increase range by adopting different loadings for the 5.56 or making greater use of designated marksmen. Shotguns have little or no use on todays battlfield. Shotguns are great in video games though, and people whose "military experience" comes solely from games and movies will always think highly of them.

August 2, 2010, 02:12 PM	#32
ISC Junior member Join Date: August 5, 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,982	Jokester check your PM

August 3, 2010, 12:55 AM	#35
FoxtrotRomeo Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2010 Posts: 487	People tried to say the M16 didn't need to be cleaned either. That turned out reeeeaaalllll well... [/sarcasm] I really don't believe that one bit.

August 3, 2010, 02:13 AM	#36
jokester_143 Senior Member Join Date: May 13, 2010 Location: Montana Posts: 135	FoxtrotRomeo Maybe they weren't expecting people to live long enough to clean them... __________________ M&P 15, XD:M .40cal, Mossberg 500 with Knox tactical stock and now also a XD:M 3.8 in .40cal...