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Old May 18, 2018, 11:50 PM   #26
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A friend’s wife shot my EZ the other day, she fired one round and the second the grip safety would not allow her to fire. A simple explanation of proper grip and she fired several more mags without incident.
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Old May 19, 2018, 01:26 AM   #27
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I would never buy a gun with a grip safety, just one more thing to go wrong. Why in the world S&W did this on the EZ line I'll never understand.
As SigArms228 said, "because the pistol has no internal firing ping block safety/drop safety". Still, was this really the best solution? I'm with DanPop here. I don't like grip safeties, magazine disconnects, or manual safety switches on a carry gun. (If you check out the review by sootch00 on YouTube, you'll see a few critical fails with the safety switch on this pistol too.) I'm still waiting for S&W to stop putting lock holes in the sides of their otherwise beautiful revolvers.
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Old May 25, 2018, 02:27 AM   #28
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I too have a bunch of S&W pistols, both Semi Auto and Revolver, none of which have a key lock hole in them ( however, a mod 64 does have the firing pin in frame). For my needs the key is both unneeded and unwanted, I can see where there are those owners that wish to completely deactivate the pistol when not in us. I would rather Smith would simply include a cheap Chinese lock like so many other manufacturers do and let me make the decision to secure or not without their having permanently defaced the firearm.
The grip safety on those pistols Smith has provided it does not bother me in the least as it is a passive feature that helps keep the weapon safe until it is needed and the safety is bipassed with normal firing procedure. I do not want one added to all of my pistols but for those S&W pistols where the grip safety is an engineered feature I have had no experience shooting where the safety has caused a FTF or other situation.
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Old May 25, 2018, 02:10 PM   #29
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I still remain unable to comprehend how a CORRECT grip on the pistol can fail to de-activate the grip safety if it's functioning properly.

If you have enough hand strength to hold onto the pistol while firing it, you have enough hand strength to de-activate the safety.
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Old May 25, 2018, 11:44 PM   #30
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I still remain unable to comprehend how a CORRECT grip on the pistol can fail to de-activate the grip safety if it's functioning properly.

If you have enough hand strength to hold onto the pistol while firing it, you have enough hand strength to de-activate the safety.
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I don't know what the grip safety is like on this model but I have heard of problems with the XD. It needs to be "functioning properly" but it also has to be engineered well and built correctly. Among other factors, it needs to include a decent margin for getting a CORRECT grip. That factor will also be subject to whatever holster a person has and how well they will be able to draw under pressure in a particular emergency under unpredictable conditions. Because it can fail and provides more avenues to fail, it's natural to question its inclusion in the design.
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Having one here in the office & having run four different loads through it, I repeat my earlier statement.
Hold it right, it de-activates the safety.
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What is the big deal? I bought the pistol, the safety works as intended, I am satisfied. If a person does not like a feature of a firearm look elsewhere to satisfy your needs, most negative remarks on a product are from those who entertain no thoughts of purchase anyway and those comments should be weighed accordingly.
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So should we totally ignore the chances of not getting the right grip under certain emergency circumstances such as being pinned or forced into a corner or rolling around in a tussle? Can you imagine any kind of injury where you'd be left with only the possibility of a compromised grip?
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So should we totally ignore the chances of not getting the right grip under certain emergency circumstances such as being pinned or forced into a corner or rolling around in a tussle? Can you imagine any kind of injury where you'd be left with only the possibility of a compromised grip?
Sure, people could reject any gun that might not function due to a compromised grip ... but I doubt many 1911s will be abandoned any time soon. And the same concept applies to guns with manual safeties.
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If you just can't live with the grip safety, don't buy one.
I never had a problem with any grip safety on any pistol I ever shot with one, including the old Colt 1903 pattern, a Smith .38 revolver, various 1911s, and the imported Springfields.

If you insist on thinking up ways to persuade yourself it'll kill you, pass it up.
In the meantime, no need to continually knock the model or the maker over it.
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Sure, people could reject any gun that might not function due to a compromised grip ... but I doubt many 1911s will be abandoned any time soon. And the same concept applies to guns with manual safeties.
gc70, I reject it because it is an additional and arguably unnecessary avenue for failure. (You are correct and I don't recommend manual safeties for carry either.) I don't carry a 1911 but for those that do, there seems to be a much more forgiving margin for successful execution. John Correia discusses this issue nicely in his humorous video critique of the XD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PShoOEUjlGg

For those who like or can accept a grip safety, is the EZ's grip safety more like the 1911 or more like the XD?

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If you just can't live with the grip safety, don't buy one.
I never had a problem with any grip safety...

If you insist on thinking up ways to persuade yourself it'll kill you, pass it up.
In the meantime, no need to continually knock the model or the maker over it...
DPris, self defense is a serious topic. Having more facts or valid points of view can be helpful when weighing options and this is an internet forum. If you want to specifically or effectively deal with any of the points I made, that might be constructive. If all you've got is that you've never had a problem personally, I could introduce you to guys who still shoot without eye protection because they've never had a problem. Emergencies in which you need a firearm to defend your life are rare but unpredictable events. Having a manual safety fail in such an emergency may also be rare, but it does happen. That's all I have to say on the topic.
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It's been an interesting thread to read.

I entertain no plans of owning this particular gun, but my mother is interested because of the low recoil and the easily racked slide. She has trouble with otherwise ordinary guns because of hand strength.

I guess I'm indifferent to grip safeties. I had an XD for a long time, ran thousands of rounds through various classes, and fall into the "never had a single problem" camp. In those thousands of rounds, I had two training rounds fail to fire. So rare that I remember the brands, one was from a box of Remington 9mm and the other (amazingly) was the more expensive Sig ammo.

But that means the ammo was statistically more likely to fail than my grip safety. Primers introduce just one more thing that could fail. Clubs and swords work every time!

Joking aside, I look at things as much as I can from a cost-benefit POV. Grip safeties (alone...combining it with a thumb safety kinda puzzles me) do offer one benefit beyond drop resistance, which is to render the gun inoperable while inserting into a holster, if you keep your thumb on the back of the slide as you would with a hammer-fired gun. Discharges while holstering (being distracted, clothing gets in the way, whatever) are certainly known to happen. It's one of the reasons I carry and train with a hammer-fired gun. At some point any human can be distracted, and having that margin of idiot-proofing is very reasonable to me.

What's more likely? To have the gun fail to shoot because you haven't gripped the gun properly? Or to have an ND while holstering? I have no idea. But I reholster my gun far more often than I draw it in self defense (which is zero, and I hope to remain at zero forever).

Anyways, just the ramblings of one guy here, but I see the advantage of a grip safety outweighing any potential risks.

But as I carry a hammer-fired gun anyways, I get the idiot-proofing without the risk of failing to fire due to a grip safety, so it's a moot issue for me

(I also happen to consider the "Glock Gadget" to be a brilliant idea -- look that one up if you haven't seen it before).

Anyways, my final thoughts on the actual questions originally asked?

I'd say learn to use the gun the way it was designed to be used, rather than trying to disable a safety that it was designed to use. I'm not a fan of carrying with an empty chamber, but would say that's a decision you should make for your own personal reasons, and not as an accommodation to a gun feature you dislike. If you like .380 in a Shield-sized gun, there are some pretty nice options from Bersa, Walther and others that give you a well-sized, lower recoil gun without the grip safety.
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Old Today, 07:37 AM   #38
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I'm in the camp that if you do not like grip safeties then why are you even looking or commenting on this? As I stated before, those that are looking at this gun and those that will buy this gun do not care that you do not like grip safeties.

We, my wife and I, own one of these guns along with 2 different XD Mod2's. The grip safety was the selling point for my wife! So does that make her right or you right?
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