DREAM RIFLE OR SUBGUN!

HKMP5SD6 · February 16, 2000, 09:16 PM

What's yours? Mine would probably be, as my name denotes, the HKMP5SD6. Damn.......that gun rocks......My second choice would be a Barrett .50BMG "Light Fifty". Now THAT brings new meaning to the word overkill.........

"hey where'd the deer go"?

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"You can run, but you'll just die tired"

ctdonath · February 16, 2000, 09:31 PM

Being the "Full Auto" forum...
I'm currently drooling over the FN P90. Seems someone went back to square one, checked the requirements, ignored the "but ya gotta do it this way" urge, and created a new gun that's very effective (well, we'll see when field results come back), compact, usable and generally slick.

But since you mention "rifle"...
Ditto on the Barrett .50BMG. I'll settle for an Armalite AR-50. Why? Mostly because some very powerful people think citizens shouldn't have them...and history shows where that leads.

George Hill · February 17, 2000, 03:54 AM

M2

Harlequin · February 17, 2000, 09:42 AM

an ump in 5.56 with the old g3/hk51 telescopic stock (not the mp5 telescopic)
as for rifles, either a remington 700 in 300wm, or a dragunov..
the .50 is too heavy to drag around with ammo for extended periods of time if you're gonna stay out for more than a couple of days...

Shin-Tao · February 17, 2000, 02:29 PM

HK PDW in .357sig with a compensator.
Stechkin as back-up.
Paratrooper Galil for rifle.

Supergeek · February 18, 2000, 03:06 AM

They have a P90 selling for about $1100 last time I checked at
http://www.arizonagunrunners.com/Firearms/firearms.html

I'm thinking of the P90 as my dream subgun, but it fires the damnable 5.7x21mm rounds, which could be hard to get. Thus, I'd have to say I like the MP5SD5 as the best subgun. G11 or G36 as the best rifle.

Kaps · February 18, 2000, 08:26 PM

I have a thing for full auto TEC-9's and MAC-10's. Unfortunately I live in California.

John Hollister · February 19, 2000, 12:36 AM

Colt "Commando" M16.

11.5 barrel, Phantom Flash Suppressor, A1 Upper, Ashley Outdoors "Same Plane" rear sight, Surefire light and Giles Sling.

John Hollister

Outlaw1 · February 19, 2000, 01:39 AM

George took the words right outa' my mouth....M2!!

I have had the pleasure of shooting many different full-autos. I like 'em ALL, but IMO, you just can't beat a proven and RELIABLE belt-fed.
Ever since the first belt went through my A4, I have become hopelessly addicted, and I have this uncontrolable urge to have bigger and badder belt-feds.

I saw an ad while ago for Mini-gun recievers and parts, and started drooling. Whatabout a 20mm Vulcan? NO, Wait, a 30mm Vulcan, YEAH, THAT'S IT!! Whatabout a.....NNaaahhhh, oh well.

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Harlequin · February 19, 2000, 10:40 AM

if you want something big, how about a GAU-8

Nyterunner · February 19, 2000, 07:10 PM

A multi-barrel particle accelerator cannon....well you said DREAM subgun...

For real, I'd like an MP-5SD Vollmer conversion .45ACP....

Al Thompson · February 22, 2000, 08:45 PM

I've found over the years that things that look cool don't always shoot cool.

That being said, my ideal subgun would be the MP5 in 10mm. I think H&K calls it the MP10.... Saw one that a local PD has and was very impressed.

Dollars aside, a AR-10 Flattop with a supressor seems to be the best bet. Had the Ar-10 hated the mag cost and the muzzle brake. Have a DSA on order.

I like the AR series and have a lot of fun with my Car-15 parts gun, but don't care for the .223 round. I guess I'm just used to the controls as I carried a gov issue for years.

Heavy stuff - the M2 is the Granddaddy. All of the ones I had in my arms room were older that anybody in the Battalion and had so many ANAD stamps, that the last rebuild dates were almost unreadable. Over 20 months of range time and very few jams. (being in Europe helped - had some problems with dust in the desert)

The Mk19 is another a$$ buster for folks on the wrong end. Nothing like a 40mm GL with a 2K range.

Giz

Silicon · February 23, 2000, 09:55 AM

Hrmm..
Rifle: PSG-1, gotta love it..
SMG: H&K MP10, possibly SD...
Assault rifle.. gimme my G3A3...
and for support.. ma deuce...

:Þ

BloodHawk · February 25, 2000, 01:33 AM

well i would have to say and MP5K-PDW, small AND accurate, with a silencer, scope, and hell a laser sight for good measure. Maybe a trimag but that would be too heavy. as for rifle i would go with a Barret light .50 just cuz its give and con practicly blow s**t up.....hey do they make explosive tip .50 BMG rounds???....well do they?

Harlequin · February 25, 2000, 11:57 AM

well, as for "explosive" rounds, you have the norwegian multi-purpose round...
(pentrite, phosfor, and a tungsten(?) penetrator inside)

fun through a macmillan or light fifty

**4V50 Gary** · February 25, 2000, 05:28 PM

MP5 in 40 S&W or 10mm for a subgun.

I'd take the Barrett M82 or a McMillan bolt gun in .50 for the rifle.

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Tony III · February 26, 2000, 11:13 AM

My Dream Gun......

The supressor would extend forward maybe 4" & would wrap back over the barrel for expanded voulme. Not real effective but it would be compact & would elliminate muzzel flash & maybe reduce the sound to less than deafening levels. It would be field reversable for right or left hand ejection. The combiniation forward grip / Tac-light, would pivot forward, would have a quick detach & and could be replaced with a bipod. There would also be interchangeable butstocks for a custom fit. It would have a crisp, short trigger pull; breaking cleanly at 4 lbs. And Oh yea! it would shoot 1/2 MOA, weigh 5.5 lbs. as pictured & would cost $299.95 minus the federal tax rebate on the purchase of any firearm.

nw1911guy · January 6, 2007, 07:34 PM

I've had this thought, while an H&K MP5SD6 would be great fun, that a guy could take and H&K53, Re-chamber in .300 Whisper, fit it with a Sure-fire scout light, a sound suppressor, and an EOTech oh and a telescoping stock. That should be great fun.

cmreinke · January 6, 2007, 08:23 PM

How about a TAR-21 (Tavor)? http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...vor/Tavor.html
I wonder if it would ever be possible to legally get one of those here in the states...?

-Charles

Maser · January 6, 2007, 10:20 PM

I would have no use for owning a full auto gun. I can shoot a full auto anytime I want so therefore there's no reason for me to own one. However, I would love to own that crazy looking Serbu shorty shotgun. Looks painful to shoot with 3" loads, but would probly still be cool to own and keep for HD use.

Duxman · January 6, 2007, 11:00 PM

OICW.....

20mm Semi automatic rocket launcher, backed up by the 5.56mm assualt rifle. Laser range guided rockets. Yummy.

kozak6 · January 7, 2007, 01:24 AM

Dream subgun? Full auto 10/22. I need something I can afford to shoot

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As for a rifle? It's hard to say. PSG-1 would do.

Powderman · January 7, 2007, 04:00 AM

The submachine gun of my dreams? Well, only one will do it for me...

and that's known as Gun, Submachine, M1928A1...

also known as the Chicago Typewriter, properly known as the Thompson Submachine Gun.

Go ahead, pick one up. Feel the weight. 11 pounds of blued American steel, with that gorgeous compensator. Stock and forearm made from good walnut, mostly good figure, even for mass produced stocks. Add the Lyman adjustable sight, and a 30 round blued steel stick mag, and you're good to go.

Lock the bolt to the rear. Insert a 30 round stick, slap it upward to seat it. Now, bring the weapon to your shoulder and sight in. Pull the trigger firmly to the rear--yeah, baby! Feel the weapon vibrate as 230 grain ball ammunition goes to point of aim, 25 yards away, at 750 to 800 rounds per minute.

No muzzle climb. No excessive recoil. Just lots of caliber .45 Automatic Colt Pistol holes in the target. OH, YEAH!!!!

My dream rifle? I'll take a Nesika Bay or Stolle Swindlehurst action, with a Kreiger 30 inch medium contour barrel, chambered in 6.5-06 Improved. Bed it and float it in a McMillan A4 stock, with a Jewell trigger. Mount a NightForce 12-42x56 scope on it with the NP2 reticle--or maybe even a Leupold 45x fixed.

Excuse me, I have to go drool now.

Chaingunner · January 9, 2007, 10:56 PM

Machine Gun - M242 25mm Chaingun

Rifle - AK-47

Subgun - MP5K

Pistol - Beretta 93

ShipWreck · January 9, 2007, 11:06 PM

Well, I have my dream rifle that I CAN own... My PS90...

Only way it could be better would be to own the full auto version

January 6, 2007, 07:34 PM	#18
nw1911guy Junior Member Join Date: January 6, 2007 Posts: 2	Sorry for the resurrection, but I'm new and this looked like fun I've had this thought, while an H&K MP5SD6 would be great fun, that a guy could take and H&K53, Re-chamber in .300 Whisper, fit it with a Sure-fire scout light, a sound suppressor, and an EOTech oh and a telescoping stock. That should be great fun.

January 6, 2007, 08:23 PM	#19
cmreinke Member Join Date: October 20, 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 77	How about a TAR-21 (Tavor)? http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...vor/Tavor.html I wonder if it would ever be possible to legally get one of those here in the states...? -Charles __________________ I reject your reality, and substitute my own. -Adam Savage of Discovery Channel's MythBusters

January 7, 2007, 04:00 AM	#23
Powderman Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2001 Location: Washington State Posts: 2,166	The submachine gun of my dreams? Well, only one will do it for me... and that's known as Gun, Submachine, M1928A1... also known as the Chicago Typewriter, properly known as the Thompson Submachine Gun. Go ahead, pick one up. Feel the weight. 11 pounds of blued American steel, with that gorgeous compensator. Stock and forearm made from good walnut, mostly good figure, even for mass produced stocks. Add the Lyman adjustable sight, and a 30 round blued steel stick mag, and you're good to go. Lock the bolt to the rear. Insert a 30 round stick, slap it upward to seat it. Now, bring the weapon to your shoulder and sight in. Pull the trigger firmly to the rear--yeah, baby! Feel the weapon vibrate as 230 grain ball ammunition goes to point of aim, 25 yards away, at 750 to 800 rounds per minute. No muzzle climb. No excessive recoil. Just lots of caliber .45 Automatic Colt Pistol holes in the target. OH, YEAH!!!! My dream rifle? I'll take a Nesika Bay or Stolle Swindlehurst action, with a Kreiger 30 inch medium contour barrel, chambered in 6.5-06 Improved. Bed it and float it in a McMillan A4 stock, with a Jewell trigger. Mount a NightForce 12-42x56 scope on it with the NP2 reticle--or maybe even a Leupold 45x fixed. Excuse me, I have to go drool now. __________________ Hiding in plain sight...

January 9, 2007, 10:56 PM	#24
Chaingunner Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2006 Location: El Cajon/San Diego, CA Posts: 394	Machine Gun - M242 25mm Chaingun Rifle - AK-47 Subgun - MP5K Pistol - Beretta 93 __________________ Real men use iron sights. "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud, "General Introduction to Psychoanalysis."

February 16, 2000, 09:16 PM	#1
HKMP5SD6 Member Join Date: February 15, 2000 Posts: 26	What's yours? Mine would probably be, as my name denotes, the HKMP5SD6. Damn.......that gun rocks......My second choice would be a Barrett .50BMG "Light Fifty". Now THAT brings new meaning to the word overkill......... "hey where'd the deer go"? ------------------ "You can run, but you'll just die tired"

February 16, 2000, 09:31 PM	#2
ctdonath Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 1999 Posts: 1,904	Being the "Full Auto" forum... I'm currently drooling over the FN P90. Seems someone went back to square one, checked the requirements, ignored the "but ya gotta do it this way" urge, and created a new gun that's very effective (well, we'll see when field results come back), compact, usable and generally slick. But since you mention "rifle"... Ditto on the Barrett .50BMG. I'll settle for an Armalite AR-50. Why? Mostly because some very powerful people think citizens shouldn't have them...and history shows where that leads.

February 17, 2000, 03:54 AM	#3
George Hill Staff Alumnus Join Date: October 14, 1998 Location: North Carolina Posts: 11,546	M2

February 17, 2000, 09:42 AM	#4
Harlequin Junior Member Join Date: December 26, 1999 Location: Drøbak, Norway Posts: 13	an ump in 5.56 with the old g3/hk51 telescopic stock (not the mp5 telescopic) as for rifles, either a remington 700 in 300wm, or a dragunov.. the .50 is too heavy to drag around with ammo for extended periods of time if you're gonna stay out for more than a couple of days...

February 17, 2000, 02:29 PM	#5
Shin-Tao Senior Member Join Date: January 27, 2000 Posts: 1,528	HK PDW in .357sig with a compensator. Stechkin as back-up. Paratrooper Galil for rifle.

February 18, 2000, 03:06 AM	#6
Supergeek Junior Member Join Date: February 16, 2000 Posts: 6	They have a P90 selling for about $1100 last time I checked at http://www.arizonagunrunners.com/Firearms/firearms.html I'm thinking of the P90 as my dream subgun, but it fires the damnable 5.7x21mm rounds, which could be hard to get. Thus, I'd have to say I like the MP5SD5 as the best subgun. G11 or G36 as the best rifle.

February 18, 2000, 08:26 PM	#7
Kaps Junior Member Join Date: February 13, 2000 Posts: 12	I have a thing for full auto TEC-9's and MAC-10's. Unfortunately I live in California.

February 19, 2000, 12:36 AM	#8
John Hollister Member Join Date: April 4, 1999 Location: Florida Posts: 37	Colt "Commando" M16. 11.5 barrel, Phantom Flash Suppressor, A1 Upper, Ashley Outdoors "Same Plane" rear sight, Surefire light and Giles Sling. John Hollister

February 19, 2000, 01:39 AM	#9
Outlaw1 Senior Member Join Date: August 31, 1999 Posts: 314	George took the words right outa' my mouth....M2!! I have had the pleasure of shooting many different full-autos. I like 'em ALL, but IMO, you just can't beat a proven and RELIABLE belt-fed. Ever since the first belt went through my A4, I have become hopelessly addicted, and I have this uncontrolable urge to have bigger and badder belt-feds. I saw an ad while ago for Mini-gun recievers and parts, and started drooling. Whatabout a 20mm Vulcan? NO, Wait, a 30mm Vulcan, YEAH, THAT'S IT!! Whatabout a.....NNaaahhhh, oh well. ------------------ We ARE the Militia!

February 19, 2000, 10:40 AM	#10
Harlequin Junior Member Join Date: December 26, 1999 Location: Drøbak, Norway Posts: 13	if you want something big, how about a GAU-8

February 19, 2000, 07:10 PM	#11
Nyterunner Senior Member Join Date: January 9, 2000 Posts: 134	A multi-barrel particle accelerator cannon....well you said DREAM subgun... For real, I'd like an MP-5SD Vollmer conversion .45ACP....

February 22, 2000, 08:45 PM	#12
Al Thompson Staff Alumnus Join Date: May 2, 1999 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,611	I've found over the years that things that look cool don't always shoot cool. That being said, my ideal subgun would be the MP5 in 10mm. I think H&K calls it the MP10.... Saw one that a local PD has and was very impressed. Dollars aside, a AR-10 Flattop with a supressor seems to be the best bet. Had the Ar-10 hated the mag cost and the muzzle brake. Have a DSA on order. I like the AR series and have a lot of fun with my Car-15 parts gun, but don't care for the .223 round. I guess I'm just used to the controls as I carried a gov issue for years. Heavy stuff - the M2 is the Granddaddy. All of the ones I had in my arms room were older that anybody in the Battalion and had so many ANAD stamps, that the last rebuild dates were almost unreadable. Over 20 months of range time and very few jams. (being in Europe helped - had some problems with dust in the desert) The Mk19 is another a$$ buster for folks on the wrong end. Nothing like a 40mm GL with a 2K range. Giz

February 23, 2000, 09:55 AM	#13
Silicon Member Join Date: December 2, 1999 Location: Sweden Posts: 17	Hrmm.. Rifle: PSG-1, gotta love it.. SMG: H&K MP10, possibly SD... Assault rifle.. gimme my G3A3... and for support.. ma deuce... :Þ

February 25, 2000, 01:33 AM	#14
BloodHawk Junior Member Join Date: February 16, 2000 Posts: 4	well i would have to say and MP5K-PDW, small AND accurate, with a silencer, scope, and hell a laser sight for good measure. Maybe a trimag but that would be too heavy. as for rifle i would go with a Barret light .50 just cuz its give and con practicly blow s**t up.....hey do they make explosive tip .50 BMG rounds???....well do they?

February 25, 2000, 11:57 AM	#15
Harlequin Junior Member Join Date: December 26, 1999 Location: Drøbak, Norway Posts: 13	well, as for "explosive" rounds, you have the norwegian multi-purpose round... (pentrite, phosfor, and a tungsten(?) penetrator inside) fun through a macmillan or light fifty

February 25, 2000, 05:28 PM	#16
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,838	MP5 in 40 S&W or 10mm for a subgun. I'd take the Barrett M82 or a McMillan bolt gun in .50 for the rifle. ------------------ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt

February 26, 2000, 11:13 AM	#17
Tony III Member Join Date: March 2, 1999 Posts: 88	My Dream Gun...... The supressor would extend forward maybe 4" & would wrap back over the barrel for expanded voulme. Not real effective but it would be compact & would elliminate muzzel flash & maybe reduce the sound to less than deafening levels. It would be field reversable for right or left hand ejection. The combiniation forward grip / Tac-light, would pivot forward, would have a quick detach & and could be replaced with a bipod. There would also be interchangeable butstocks for a custom fit. It would have a crisp, short trigger pull; breaking cleanly at 4 lbs. And Oh yea! it would shoot 1/2 MOA, weigh 5.5 lbs. as pictured & would cost $299.95 minus the federal tax rebate on the purchase of any firearm.

January 6, 2007, 10:20 PM	#20
Maser Senior Member Join Date: May 21, 2006 Location: Mysterious Cities of Gold Posts: 920	I would have no use for owning a full auto gun. I can shoot a full auto anytime I want so therefore there's no reason for me to own one. However, I would love to own that crazy looking Serbu shorty shotgun. Looks painful to shoot with 3" loads, but would probly still be cool to own and keep for HD use.

January 6, 2007, 11:00 PM	#21
Duxman Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2005 Location: VA Posts: 1,294	OICW..... 20mm Semi automatic rocket launcher, backed up by the 5.56mm assualt rifle. Laser range guided rockets. Yummy.

January 7, 2007, 01:24 AM	#22
kozak6 Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 3,113	Dream subgun? Full auto 10/22. I need something I can afford to shoot . As for a rifle? It's hard to say. PSG-1 would do.

January 9, 2007, 11:06 PM	#25
ShipWreck Senior Member Join Date: November 9, 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 1,744	Well, I have my dream rifle that I CAN own... My PS90... Only way it could be better would be to own the full auto version