Do your big-box stores treat you like a baby? - Page 2

Double Naught Spy · June 12, 2021, 07:54 AM

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Acknowledged. The private property owner does not have to honor the gun rights of guest individuals under the 2nd A. Arguably, the several states and their respective jurisdictions do, though. Some states, however, are to some extent, limiting the private property owner's right to ban firearms on premises. Texas doesn't allow landlords to ban firearms in tenants' rental homes. GOOD! Some jurisdictions protect the free exercise of people to keep guns in their locked cars in the parking lots of their employers while at work. Private premise holders may someday wise up to the possibility that no-gun policies may draw mass shooters to their premises as steel to a magnet.

I would even favor any legislation, if ever enacted, that gives employees in any vocation the right to be armed, perhaps by concealed carry, at the workplace. I don't feel I should have to be made unarmed and defenseless by employer policy in order to work for a living. Some people carry armed at workplaces with risk to being fired if found out. They figure their life and limb is more valuable than their job security.

Walmart evidentially doesn't want the bad reputation of having their in-store customers get killed by armed criminals and armed loonies on CNN and Fox News without the means to shoot back. And I agree with their concealed-gun-allowing policy.

What does this have to do with your whining about stores carrying guns out for you?

Moonglum · June 12, 2021, 09:28 AM

Where I work company policy dictates 100% ID check. I “check” IDs on people I literally see every single day. I check IDs on people who are literally going to take 2 steps past my desk and scan in through a card reader. I checked the ID of an Ice Vendor today who used to work for the same company I work for now I trained him.

My point is that it’s company policy and I don’t have an option. If I get caught not checking IDs I lose my job and in this economy and at my age I’m not ready to go out there and try to find another one. I get people that complain about the policy every day I tell them all the same thing “I’m sorry, I have no choice in the matter, if I get caught not doing this I lose my job.

So the next time you run into someone who tells you the have to do something stupid because it’s company policy please don’t take it out on the person who probably agrees with you that it’s a stupid policy but can’t afford to lose the job

Mainah · June 12, 2021, 10:43 AM

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So the next time you run into someone who tells you the have to do something stupid because it’s company policy please don’t take it out on the person who probably agrees with you that it’s a stupid policy but can’t afford to lose the job.

Amen.

Walking folks to the door after a gun purchase is one of the silliest reasons to be upset that I've seen in awhile. It is either tied to the behavior of one moron, an insurance policy, or just some pencil pusher's decision.

If I save money on a gun purchase I don't care if they take me out in a stroller.

rickyrick · June 12, 2021, 11:09 AM

When things get “tough” at a place of business, I notice that it is rarely caused by the employee attempting to provide the service. I’m sure the manager on duty and the sales clerk are thrilled about having to stop what they are doing to walk someone to the front door with a gun. Why get mad at the person who probably wasn’t in on the decision.
This is the epitome of first world problems. Just be happy someone is still selling guns.

tomrkba · June 12, 2021, 01:20 PM

He has a gun! Our $7/hour employee will make sure he doesn’t murder anyone with it!!!

FireForged · June 13, 2021, 03:52 PM

If anyone is offender by such a practice, I find it odd. Its not hard to imagine how expensive it is to have insurance for an establishment that is full of random people and firearms. If by carrying my rifle to the curb helps mitigate some issues which hamper their ability to sustain the "gun" aspect of their business operation, I am just fine with it. I do not feel damaged, unduly inconvenienced or victimized by such a benign thing.

Regardless of the employee is a 20 yo kid making $7 an hour or an 40 yo former marine making $40 an hour. "Staff" are sometime put into a lower risk category for the purpose of insurance due to the fact that staff often have to follow certain rules, methods and established procedures. "Staff" are not always considered the same as a random stranger walking in off the street.

I cannot speculate whether or not this is the reasoning behind any such "escorts" inside the store but these considerations are not unheard of.

The bottom line is that control is often a very effective mitigation of certain conditions. If the random stranger is not handed his rifle inside the store, he/she wont be monkeying around with it inside the store. I see these things as an effort to lessen risk of accidents and not some sort of anti crime initiative.

Carl the Floor Walker · June 13, 2021, 04:14 PM

John Q. Public can be pretty damn stupid. And God only knows what some would do walking around with a new firearm, rifle, shotgun etc. Heck leaving it in the shopping cart is a risk first of all. Put it in a shopping cart and then leave the cart unattended, or distracted etc. People steal all the time. They walk out of stores with big boxes of merchandise all the time. There are a host of reasons why the store would issue a policy. In fact they would be stupid and careless not to. And the cheap shot at the $7.00 hr clerk is not called for.

ghbucky · June 13, 2021, 06:41 PM

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Put it in a shopping cart and then leave the cart unattended, or distracted etc.

I'll be honest: I've never considered that. It makes sense that what they are doing is seeing to it that the gun is secured before they consider that they are done with the transaction.

Double Naught Spy · June 13, 2021, 06:57 PM

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He has a gun! Our $7/hour employee will make sure he doesn’t murder anyone with it!!!

Got to admit, it has been 100% effective in the stores that do this in that the person doesn't murder anybody inside the store. It has been 100% effective in keeping people from misplacing said gun while still inside the store. It has been 100% effective in keeping purchasers from doing anything else stupid with the gun while inside the store. Funny how a $7 employee can stop so much wrong from happening and before you scoff at the concept, having worked in a store where we sold guns, I have seen customers leave guns unattended on counters, attempt to load their newly purchased gun (we didn't sell ammo, BTW), and take their gun out of the box and point their newly purchased gun a random targets while leaving the store. The customer has a new toy and can't wait to have his/her hands all over it.

Onward Allusion · June 13, 2021, 09:14 PM

Big box stores are owned by big liability minded big corps. Every time I'd purchased a gun from those places, which was not often, I was escorted out....really makes me feel unwelcomed... I haven't purchased anything form a big box in probably 5+ years if not longer.

rickyrick · June 14, 2021, 08:27 PM

Again, just be thankful you can still purchase a firearm.

Academy one time about 12 years ago refused to sell me a pistol because when I was looking at it, I handed it to my 1st spouse to feel it’s heft... I get it, I was just unaware that I had ran afoul of any rule. I went back to the same store, to the exact same salesman and bought the very same pistol, lol

BTW, show me an Academy manager that makes $7.00 an hour. I’ll wait the response.

I’ve bought many firearms from Academy. They have always had the best prices.
Every single time I was walked out by the manager on duty.

Rob228 · June 15, 2021, 05:55 AM

The first time I purchased a rifle from Sportsmans Warehouse (North Carolina) they escorted me to the door with the box.

The second time I had received my NC carry permit which significantly speeds up the purchase process and there was no escort to the door, they marked the box with red tape and said I could continue shopping. I'm not sure if it was a change in policy or just their policy for carry permit holders.

keyzard · June 15, 2021, 01:47 PM

I understand the need of large chain stores to protect themselves from liability, but I feel this points to a bigger problem......

Be it either through ignorance or media and government brainwashing, any gun (an inanimate object) is now "scary" and "dangerous". The non-initiated non-gun shoppers fear the appearance of any firearm as if it will at any time go off and kill someone.

Hell, it wasn't too long ago that almost every home had a loaded long gun above the fireplace or next to the back door.....

wizrd · June 18, 2021, 12:17 PM

Well, one of those 'despised' big box stores, in my area, has a nice assortment of 9 mm. - (plain vanilla 115 gr.) for $ 19.99 for 50 rnds. - A few small local guns shops have it for -
$ 49.99, for the same brands. Just saying. I do hope they all survive.

Double Naught Spy · June 18, 2021, 03:07 PM

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Be it either through ignorance or media and government brainwashing, any gun (an inanimate object) is now "scary" and "dangerous". The non-initiated non-gun shoppers fear the appearance of any firearm as if it will at any time go off and kill someone.

Gun shows and some gun stores feel the same way about loaded guns.

Carl the Floor Walker · June 18, 2021, 07:42 PM

And for good reason. It is especially annoying to say the least, to be at a LGS gun counter and turn around for some reason and a customer holding a firearm pointed at you while he checks out the trigger, sights etc. Maybe there is a reason why Big Box gun shops escort people out of stores. If John Q. Public is so stupid as to do this right at the counter of a LGS, then what will John be capable of if left to just wander throughout the store on his own?
Never under estimate the stupidity of John Q. Public. Big box stores don't.

June 12, 2021, 09:28 AM	#27
Moonglum Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2015 Posts: 468	Where I work company policy dictates 100% ID check. I “check” IDs on people I literally see every single day. I check IDs on people who are literally going to take 2 steps past my desk and scan in through a card reader. I checked the ID of an Ice Vendor today who used to work for the same company I work for now I trained him. My point is that it’s company policy and I don’t have an option. If I get caught not checking IDs I lose my job and in this economy and at my age I’m not ready to go out there and try to find another one. I get people that complain about the policy every day I tell them all the same thing “I’m sorry, I have no choice in the matter, if I get caught not doing this I lose my job. So the next time you run into someone who tells you the have to do something stupid because it’s company policy please don’t take it out on the person who probably agrees with you that it’s a stupid policy but can’t afford to lose the job __________________ Skating On Thin Ice

June 13, 2021, 03:52 PM	#31
FireForged Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 1999 Location: Rebel South USA Posts: 2,074	If anyone is offender by such a practice, I find it odd. Its not hard to imagine how expensive it is to have insurance for an establishment that is full of random people and firearms. If by carrying my rifle to the curb helps mitigate some issues which hamper their ability to sustain the "gun" aspect of their business operation, I am just fine with it. I do not feel damaged, unduly inconvenienced or victimized by such a benign thing. Regardless of the employee is a 20 yo kid making $7 an hour or an 40 yo former marine making $40 an hour. "Staff" are sometime put into a lower risk category for the purpose of insurance due to the fact that staff often have to follow certain rules, methods and established procedures. "Staff" are not always considered the same as a random stranger walking in off the street. I cannot speculate whether or not this is the reasoning behind any such "escorts" inside the store but these considerations are not unheard of. The bottom line is that control is often a very effective mitigation of certain conditions. If the random stranger is not handed his rifle inside the store, he/she wont be monkeying around with it inside the store. I see these things as an effort to lessen risk of accidents and not some sort of anti crime initiative. __________________ Life is a web woven by necessity and chance... Last edited by FireForged; June 13, 2021 at 04:02 PM.

June 13, 2021, 09:14 PM	#35
Onward Allusion Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Back in a Non-Free State Posts: 3,133	Big box stores are owned by big liability minded big corps. Every time I'd purchased a gun from those places, which was not often, I was escorted out....really makes me feel unwelcomed... I haven't purchased anything form a big box in probably 5+ years if not longer. __________________ Simple as ABC . . . Always Be Carrying

June 18, 2021, 12:17 PM	#39
wizrd Senior Member Join Date: February 26, 2012 Posts: 232	Well, one of those 'despised' big box stores, in my area, has a nice assortment of 9 mm. - (plain vanilla 115 gr.) for $ 19.99 for 50 rnds. - A few small local guns shops have it for - $ 49.99, for the same brands. Just saying. I do hope they all survive. __________________ Sumo magis ammo

June 12, 2021, 11:09 AM	#29
rickyrick Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,236	When things get “tough” at a place of business, I notice that it is rarely caused by the employee attempting to provide the service. I’m sure the manager on duty and the sales clerk are thrilled about having to stop what they are doing to walk someone to the front door with a gun. Why get mad at the person who probably wasn’t in on the decision. This is the epitome of first world problems. Just be happy someone is still selling guns.

June 12, 2021, 01:20 PM	#30
tomrkba Senior Member Join Date: November 29, 2011 Posts: 751	He has a gun! Our $7/hour employee will make sure he doesn’t murder anyone with it!!!

June 13, 2021, 04:14 PM	#32
Carl the Floor Walker member Join Date: June 3, 2017 Location: South Posts: 1,422	John Q. Public can be pretty damn stupid. And God only knows what some would do walking around with a new firearm, rifle, shotgun etc. Heck leaving it in the shopping cart is a risk first of all. Put it in a shopping cart and then leave the cart unattended, or distracted etc. People steal all the time. They walk out of stores with big boxes of merchandise all the time. There are a host of reasons why the store would issue a policy. In fact they would be stupid and careless not to. And the cheap shot at the $7.00 hr clerk is not called for.

June 14, 2021, 08:27 PM	#36
rickyrick Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,236	Again, just be thankful you can still purchase a firearm. Academy one time about 12 years ago refused to sell me a pistol because when I was looking at it, I handed it to my 1st spouse to feel it’s heft... I get it, I was just unaware that I had ran afoul of any rule. I went back to the same store, to the exact same salesman and bought the very same pistol, lol BTW, show me an Academy manager that makes $7.00 an hour. I’ll wait the response. I’ve bought many firearms from Academy. They have always had the best prices. Every single time I was walked out by the manager on duty.

June 15, 2021, 05:55 AM	#37
Rob228 Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2010 Location: Hampstead NC Posts: 1,450	The first time I purchased a rifle from Sportsmans Warehouse (North Carolina) they escorted me to the door with the box. The second time I had received my NC carry permit which significantly speeds up the purchase process and there was no escort to the door, they marked the box with red tape and said I could continue shopping. I'm not sure if it was a change in policy or just their policy for carry permit holders.

June 15, 2021, 01:47 PM	#38
keyzard Junior Member Join Date: May 1, 2019 Location: WNY Posts: 5	I understand the need of large chain stores to protect themselves from liability, but I feel this points to a bigger problem...... Be it either through ignorance or media and government brainwashing, any gun (an inanimate object) is now "scary" and "dangerous". The non-initiated non-gun shoppers fear the appearance of any firearm as if it will at any time go off and kill someone. Hell, it wasn't too long ago that almost every home had a loaded long gun above the fireplace or next to the back door.....

June 18, 2021, 07:42 PM	#41
Carl the Floor Walker member Join Date: June 3, 2017 Location: South Posts: 1,422	And for good reason. It is especially annoying to say the least, to be at a LGS gun counter and turn around for some reason and a customer holding a firearm pointed at you while he checks out the trigger, sights etc. Maybe there is a reason why Big Box gun shops escort people out of stores. If John Q. Public is so stupid as to do this right at the counter of a LGS, then what will John be capable of if left to just wander throughout the store on his own? Never under estimate the stupidity of John Q. Public. Big box stores don't.