Anybody figure for a tree ninja?

LASur5r · January 23, 2002, 09:14 PM

The other day, I had a bunch of fledglings that we were training in basic awareness.
In some of the scenarios, some of the responders mentioned in a situation directly outside of your house, some of you would come outside of the house to check the perimeter.
How many of you check the branches above your peripheral vision in the trees?
We found out our tree ninjas "took out" 90% of the guys on "patrol." (Drop out of the tree to physically eliminate the patrol guy)
Any comments, opinions? Thank you in advance.

Art Eatman · January 24, 2002, 12:01 AM

Woulda caught me, probably. I live in a desert. Nearest climbable tree is a few hundred yards from my house...

Art

jpd82 · January 24, 2002, 12:03 AM

Some of my relatives who were in Vietnam and world war 2, on the islands against the Japanese. Were told to keep an eye out in the trees. The enemy would hide up there and shoot down on them.

Hemicuda · January 24, 2002, 08:40 AM

in one of my college police courses, we gottotake turns clearing a section of the school, while other students played bad guys...

I was in a lecture hall, on top of a large cabinet, just inside the door...

even in the scenarios where the lights in the room were ON, not one "officer" looked upupon entering the room,and I got over 20 confirmed kills that day... 5 or 6 as a "cop" and the rest from the top of the cabinet...

our instructor pounded that into the heads of ALL of us, after the exercise... UP is every bit as important as front, sides and rear...

not a chance in HE double hockeysticks you'da caught ME that way...

Coronach · January 24, 2002, 09:27 AM

We did a similar scenario with simunitions in an old warehouse. A guy was up on top of a pipe running just beneath the ceiling. Easily accessible from the floor, should be checked, no one did. He would take out both 'officers' as they entered his section unless he was spotted right away, which he never was. I was whacked that way becuase my partner failed to look up while clearing that section (though, to be fair, I dunno if I'd have spotted him either).

On the plus side, we were made to rerun the scenrio and find the guy and when we did, we lit him up. We actually got yelled at for wasting ammunition on him, but it was worth it to hear the "oww! OOH! uuuugh! OKAY! OKAY!" come from him.

Mike

fix · January 24, 2002, 10:00 AM

I'd think most opponents would avoid climbing trees to attack. I could see the logic when ambushing a small (1-5 man) force. But for all other situations climbing the tree, flagpole, filing cabinet, etc,etc effectively cuts off retreat. In fact, if I had my choice of where my opponent would be positioned in a firefight (Numerically equal force), I think I'd want them hugging a tree. We can maneuver, they cannot. Simple...just be sure to assign the upper 30 degree zone to someone on the team.

KSFreeman · January 24, 2002, 11:57 AM

Ahhh, the Tree Ninja. Is he a first or second cousin to the Mall Ninja? We already have a Park Ninja, Mall Ninja, Parking Ninja, etc.; why not one more?

Don't GSCs watch "Uncommon Valor" anymore? Geez, this problem never came up in the RLI as we were chasing tangos across the plains of Northern Rhodesia!

Heads up. Look up, down and all around--yellow, I repeat Condition Yellow.

striderteen · January 24, 2002, 12:29 PM

I would hardly presume to speak for my entire generation, but I for one am pretty used to checking up as well as around, thanks to the "combat" experience of waaaayyy too many FPS shooter games.

ronin308 · January 24, 2002, 03:40 PM

When I grew up in Penn's Woods I used to squirrel hunt a good bit. Doing that gets you used to looking everywhere, up, down, all around.

Quartus · January 25, 2002, 09:54 PM

Quote:

I'd think most opponents would avoid climbing trees to attack.

Well, are you a good guy or a bad guy? If you are a bad guy, please just keep thinking that way.

I WANT you to think that way.

'Cuz I'm gonna getcha!

January 23, 2002, 09:14 PM	#1
LASur5r Junior member Join Date: July 20, 2000 Location: pasadena,california,America Posts: 542	Anybody figure for a tree ninja? The other day, I had a bunch of fledglings that we were training in basic awareness. In some of the scenarios, some of the responders mentioned in a situation directly outside of your house, some of you would come outside of the house to check the perimeter. How many of you check the branches above your peripheral vision in the trees? We found out our tree ninjas "took out" 90% of the guys on "patrol." (Drop out of the tree to physically eliminate the patrol guy) Any comments, opinions? Thank you in advance.

January 24, 2002, 08:40 AM	#4
Hemicuda Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,757	in one of my college police courses, we gottotake turns clearing a section of the school, while other students played bad guys... I was in a lecture hall, on top of a large cabinet, just inside the door... even in the scenarios where the lights in the room were ON, not one "officer" looked upupon entering the room,and I got over 20 confirmed kills that day... 5 or 6 as a "cop" and the rest from the top of the cabinet... our instructor pounded that into the heads of ALL of us, after the exercise... UP is every bit as important as front, sides and rear... not a chance in HE double hockeysticks you'da caught ME that way... __________________ Hemi. gun and car collector. Rare cars, and rarer guns.

January 24, 2002, 09:27 AM	#5
Coronach Senior Member Join Date: March 25, 1999 Posts: 3,147	We did a similar scenario with simunitions in an old warehouse. A guy was up on top of a pipe running just beneath the ceiling. Easily accessible from the floor, should be checked, no one did. He would take out both 'officers' as they entered his section unless he was spotted right away, which he never was. I was whacked that way becuase my partner failed to look up while clearing that section (though, to be fair, I dunno if I'd have spotted him either). On the plus side, we were made to rerun the scenrio and find the guy and when we did, we lit him up. We actually got yelled at for wasting ammunition on him, but it was worth it to hear the "oww! OOH! uuuugh! OKAY! OKAY!" come from him. Mike __________________ The axe bites into the door, ripping a hole in one panel. The maniac puts his face into the hole, cackling gleefully, "Here's Johnny...erk." "And here's Smith and Wesson," murmurs Coronach, Mozambiquing six rounds of .357 into the critter at a range of three feet. -Lawdog "True pacifism is the finest form of manliness. But if a man comes up to you and cuts your hand off, you don't just offer him the other one. Not if you want to go on playing the piano, you don't." -Sam Peckinpah "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -Robert Heinlein

January 24, 2002, 12:29 PM	#8
striderteen Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2001 Location: Pasadena, California Posts: 590	The Younger Generation... I would hardly presume to speak for my entire generation, but I for one am pretty used to checking up as well as around, thanks to the "combat" experience of waaaayyy too many FPS shooter games.

January 24, 2002, 03:40 PM	#9
ronin308 Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2001 Posts: 1,977	When I grew up in Penn's Woods I used to squirrel hunt a good bit. Doing that gets you used to looking everywhere, up, down, all around. __________________ If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara desert in five years there’d be a shortage of sand. -Milton Friedman

January 24, 2002, 12:01 AM	#2
Art Eatman Staff in Memoriam Join Date: November 13, 1998 Location: Terlingua, TX; Thomasville, GA Posts: 24,798	Woulda caught me, probably. I live in a desert. Nearest climbable tree is a few hundred yards from my house... Art

January 24, 2002, 12:03 AM	#3
jpd82 Junior Member Join Date: December 2, 2001 Location: California Posts: 10	Some of my relatives who were in Vietnam and world war 2, on the islands against the Japanese. Were told to keep an eye out in the trees. The enemy would hide up there and shoot down on them.

January 24, 2002, 10:00 AM	#6
fix Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2001 Posts: 919	I'd think most opponents would avoid climbing trees to attack. I could see the logic when ambushing a small (1-5 man) force. But for all other situations climbing the tree, flagpole, filing cabinet, etc,etc effectively cuts off retreat. In fact, if I had my choice of where my opponent would be positioned in a firefight (Numerically equal force), I think I'd want them hugging a tree. We can maneuver, they cannot. Simple...just be sure to assign the upper 30 degree zone to someone on the team.

January 24, 2002, 11:57 AM	#7
KSFreeman Senior Member Join Date: June 9, 2001 Location: Lafayette, Indiana--American-occupied America Posts: 5,418	Ahhh, the Tree Ninja. Is he a first or second cousin to the Mall Ninja? We already have a Park Ninja, Mall Ninja, Parking Ninja, etc.; why not one more? Don't GSCs watch "Uncommon Valor" anymore? Geez, this problem never came up in the RLI as we were chasing tangos across the plains of Northern Rhodesia! Heads up. Look up, down and all around--yellow, I repeat Condition Yellow.

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