Has anyone ever owned an auto pistol that could only be described as just plain dangerous

Qwk69buick · March 15, 2018, 06:38 PM

I had never had a weapon fire unless I intended to fire it, then several years ago i bought a Cobra.380. It was dangerous in many ways, it's the only pistol I ever got slide bite from, this compact pistol if you held it the way that seemed like the correct way you left with a bloody thumb, anytime your thumb was in the vicinity of the thumb grip and it was fired, I only made that mistake once, but if I let someone else use it, even with the warning before hand. And it's the only weapon I have owned that has discharged unintended twice, the second time the slide blew apart. The first time I will take some responsibility for, I was clearing it, the slide jammed and I started to disassemble it to clear the slide, there is a pin you depress and it releases the slide from the frame usually, apparently it could also release the firing pin, or attempting to separate it just let it go, no one was hurt but I was embarrassed to say the least. Second time the cheap slide had split up front the last time it fired, I didn't see how it could have reloaded the slide hadn't even fully cycled forward, but apparently it cycled then broke around the nose where the recoil spring was around the barrel and seated in the nose , same situation trying to take it apart bam, hole in my wall, thing actually blew apart that time , I took the pieces smashed them beyond usefulness and threw it away. I could have gotten new parts under warranty and fixed it but I wasn't going to fire it again, and putting in someone else's hands would have been atleast irresponsible, at worst criminal, so busting that cursed thing to pieces seemed responsible. In the years since never another unintended discharge.

**44 AMP** · March 16, 2018, 12:06 AM

Sounds like your bad experience was because the gun jammed, or broke with a live round chambered. I would call that dangerous, indeed, but not necessarily a dangerous design.

for a design that could be called dangerous, I'd put the Japanese Nambu type 94 at the top of the list.

The trigger bar runs along the outside of the frame (just above the grip panel) and pressing on the bar will cause the gun to fire, without the trigger being pulled!

I call that, DANGEROUS!!

kozak6 · March 16, 2018, 03:39 AM

A good friend of mine has a Phoenix Arms HP22.

It has some issues with hammer follow. It's never doubled or tripled, but it makes me nervous.

It also has a tendency to fail to extract, and then mangle the fresh round. Sooner or later, it's going to mangle the rim and set off the cartridge.

Another friend briefly owned a Bryco 9mm. It suffered from occasional striker follow, but I don't think it doubled or tripled either.

HistoryJunky · March 16, 2018, 07:30 AM

I try to stay away from designs I would perceive as dangerous. I tend to research a gun before I buy it, and if it does have issues then I don't buy it.

The only weapon I've ever owned that was potentially dangerous without intending to be was my Mosin Nagant.

I got a little too happy with a dremel and the sear engagement. It made the trigger a lot lighter. It was still safe, unless the screw holding the part in wasn't tight enough.

It fired one time on me when I closed the bolt too hard. The screw came lose. Lesson learned, nobody got hurt.

Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk

COSteve · March 16, 2018, 09:46 AM

My son and I have a collection of WWII Axis and Allies arms including both a Nambu Type 14 and the insanely dangerous Nambu Type 94 which can be fired by pushing on the exposed sear on left side of the frame. Only a bunch of lunatics would design a pistol with an exposed sear but they did.

Yep, if you have it on your right hip in a holster and happen to jam into a tree, a building, or whatever in the heat of battle, or the inside of a tank (it was popular with their tankers) it will fire. We've tried it and it's easy to make it fire as you don't have to push that hard on the sear.

The Japanese weren't famous for great firearms. Most of what they produced is so poorly designed it's an embarrassment to the firearms industry. And even worse, most of the crude junk they produced (especially their 'last ditch' stuff) was as dangerous to the shooter as their intended targets.

Their pistols are mostly a joke, however, I've never heard of a more dangerous purposely designed firearm of any type, from any nation. And that includes the FP-45 Liberator.

tallball · March 16, 2018, 03:07 PM

All of mine are dangerous. Pieces of lead fly out of the hole in the end. If you aren't careful, someone could get hurt.

t45 · March 16, 2018, 04:44 PM

My benchrest rifle with a 2oz trigger. I let my friend test (dry fire) the trigger 1st so he knew what a 2oz trigger felt like. Sure enough he closed the bolt and fired one off before he even thought about looking thru the scope. I had it set up on my machined rest so no harm done except to the backstop.

Dragon breath · March 16, 2018, 04:58 PM

My brother in law has a Jimenez 9mm that went full auto while He was shooting it a couple of years ago. The sear stuck down because the sear spring broke. Jimenez sent him every part that could be replaced on the gun. He replaced the parts and fired 5 rounds through it, and it has been in the closet ever since. He says that he just keeps it because it was his first gun, but it will probably never be shot again.

zipspyder · March 16, 2018, 05:34 PM

LOL...I was just going to mention I have a Jimenez 380 that is so futzy whether loaded or not it might be better to hand it to the perp so you have a better chance.

tranders · March 17, 2018, 12:57 AM

I have an old Iver Johnson TP-22 pistol that once it gets dirty will fire off a two or three shot burst at times. Clean it and it's fine.

SPEMack618 · March 17, 2018, 10:05 AM

I had a Intra-Tec Tec-9 clone, being a post AWB gun, can't remember it's exact designation, would double feed, run away, etc. etc. when hot.

And then would slam fire.

Pops sent it back and to my and his suprise, they sent us a brand new gun. Still have it to this day. I've found that even my most anti gun friends or little sister's most skiddish friends will have fun with it.

osbornk · March 17, 2018, 10:06 AM

Quote:

A good friend of mine has a Phoenix Arms HP22.

It has some issues with hammer follow. It's never doubled or tripled, but it makes me nervous.

It also has a tendency to fail to extract, and then mangle the fresh round. Sooner or later, it's going to mangle the rim and set off the cartridge.

I shot mine about 3,500 times before I sold it to my brother. I never had any issues and I don't think it ever failed to fire. I wish I had kept it.

T. O'Heir · March 17, 2018, 11:52 AM

Think paragraphs.
"...ever got slide bite from..." The wee thing doesn't fit your hand. That doesn't mean it's dangerous.
"...discharged unintended..." Most likely also due to the fit.
The slide blowing apart may be caused by the thing being the "cheapest handgun in America" according to the Truth About Guns guys. They found what appear to be cracks in the slide.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...ndgun-america/

Big Shrek · March 17, 2018, 05:56 PM

Lorcin Pistols...they'll fire even on "Safe".
That's what I consider dangerous...
it's not so much the experienced pistoleer that would have an issue with this,
but the non-gun person that got it as a first purchase, or as a 1st CC pistol
that would be where the major problems would be...as they would tend to
"Trust" a safety...whereas most experienced pistoleers know not to.

Worst for Slide Bite...AMT Backup .380!
It literally bites EVERYONE...finally did a melt job on it...
then gave it to a cousin with tiny hands

JERRYS. · March 17, 2018, 06:01 PM

Taurus has some semi auto that Brazilian police found would fire simply by shaking it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fn6GFSwTEw

Big Shrek · March 17, 2018, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPEMack618

I had a Intra-Tec Tec-9 clone, being a post AWB gun, can't remember it's exact designation, would double feed, run away, etc. etc. when hot.

And then would slam fire.

Pops sent it back and to my and his suprise, they sent us a brand new gun. Still have it to this day. I've found that even my most anti gun friends or little sister's most skiddish friends will have fun with it.

Intra-Tec AB10 was the designation.
I had one for awhile, bought it during the AWB from a skel looking for cash to feed his habit,
figured it was better off in my hands than in a druggies

Stored it until the ban sunsetted,
then sold it for a fat profit, along with all the other weapons I collected during that time period.
(The pistol itself was legal, but the hi-cap mags from the Inter-Tec Tec-9 weren't...)

Anti-gun folks think bans work, all they do is drive the weapons underground where they
get sold for pennies on the dollar, back and forth between scumbags who want to rob folks,
then after whatever naughtyness they got into, they sell 'em off again so they don't get caught
with them...an enterprizing cab driver can pick up a fortune in banned weapons really quick...
then either hold 'em for sale later, or just do what the US Gov't did...sell 'em to the Mexicans

hemiram · March 17, 2018, 11:40 PM

I had a FEG P9R that had such sharp edges on the trigger that it cut my finger on the first dry fire. One of a very few times I've used a dremel on a gun.

willr · March 18, 2018, 02:25 PM

Not being familiar with operation can make any semi-auto just plain dangerous. For example, the Mauser 1910 and 1914 slides do not work like those of others. The only way to close the slide on these is to insert a magazine. You just can't pull and release as you do on others. Similarly the CZ52 doesn't work quite exactly like others.
willr

jetinteriorguy · March 18, 2018, 08:06 PM

Was taught at a very early age that if not handled correctly, all firearms are dangerous. Like TallBall said.

Carl the Floor Walker · March 21, 2018, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kozak6

A good friend of mine has a Phoenix Arms HP22.

It has some issues with hammer follow. It's never doubled or tripled, but it makes me nervous.

It also has a tendency to fail to extract, and then mangle the fresh round. Sooner or later, it's going to mangle the rim and set off the cartridge.

Another friend briefly owned a Bryco 9mm. It suffered from occasional striker follow, but I don't think it doubled or tripled either.

Own two of the Phoenix HPA's and have shot thousands of round through both and never ever saw anything close to what you have described. If there is a problem your friend should send it back. They have a lifetime warranty.
If anything the Phoenix has too many safety's.

James K · March 21, 2018, 09:26 PM

The designs made by Davis-Warner (and called "The Infalllible") just about fit that category. When WWI prevented importation of the Schwarzlose "blow forward" (yes, that is correct), pistol, the company made and sold three versions of a .32 pistol whose breechblock was retained by a crosspin that was disengaged for field stripping. But if things were not put back together correctly, the breechblock came back in the shooter's face, not a happy situation. Fortunately, those guns (and the company) didn't last long, and the guns are interesting collectors' items today (but still dangerous!).

Jim

kraigwy · March 22, 2018, 08:48 AM

I had a Colt 1911 in 38 Super that was converted to a 38 cal wad gun.

I would double, or tripple with every magazine (5 shot mags). Replaced the sear, trigger, hammer.............nothing I could do to fix the thing.

I finely deactivated it so it could never be fired and gave it to a gun to be used as wall deceration, then went out and bougt a S&W Model 52 and never looked back.

Another----------------------------------------------------------------------

My grandfather had a 16 gas single shot shotgun that he use to feed his family and the only gun he had when he worked for the Sheriff's office hauling prisionors from Perryville AR to Little Rock.

I used that gun to kill my first deer. Not worth much to anyone but me.

I wanted that gun in the worse way but my aunt had it, said she needed it for protection though she never had any shells for it.

I came up with the idea that whe would be better off with a revolver, something she could handle. I talked her into letting me find her a revolver and trade. Sold her on the idea.

I was only about 16-17 and didnt have much money so I went to the hardware store and paid $28 for a new RG pot metal piece of junk snub nose. (kids could buy guns in them days, no questions asked.

I didnt know much about guns but I knew I didnt have the guts to shoot that thing.

Anyway I traded the new, in the box "thing" for the shotgun. I didnt give her any shells, and figured she would never buy any so I was safe.

Dont know what happened to that thing. Dont care. But I still have the shotgun, as I said it isnt worth much to any one but me, and one of my kids who's showed an interest, but for the history, not for shooting.

BillM · March 22, 2018, 10:07 AM

The old Sterling 300/302 pocket pistols with plastic grip panels. If you
gripped them firmly, the grip panel flexed and bound up the trigger bar/sear.
Would not fire. When you relaxed your grip, it would fire. A bit annoying.

pete2 · March 22, 2018, 10:16 AM

I had a Taurus .40 Beretta copy that would jam every once in a while for no reason what so ever. You cant trust a gun like that. No good for anything in my book. It could get you killed.

larryf1952 · March 22, 2018, 12:16 PM

Another story regarding the TEC 9. A friend of mine had bought one of the early guns. This would've been around 1986 or '87. He invited me over to shoot it. It was horribly inaccurate. I could not hit a water filled milk jug from 25 feet.

Later, he told me that the bolt handle had broken off of it, with a round chambered. Since he had no way to retract the bolt, he tried removing the receiver from the frame. When he did, the gun fired and put a round through the side of his freezer that he had in his garage. He showed me the hole in the freezer and opened the door to show me where he retrieved the spent bullet.

I yelled at him and extolled him to get rid of the POS. Not so surprisingly, he followed my advice.

March 15, 2018, 06:38 PM	#1
Qwk69buick Junior Member Join Date: March 14, 2018 Posts: 10	Has anyone ever owned an auto pistol that could only be described as just plain dangerous I had never had a weapon fire unless I intended to fire it, then several years ago i bought a Cobra.380. It was dangerous in many ways, it's the only pistol I ever got slide bite from, this compact pistol if you held it the way that seemed like the correct way you left with a bloody thumb, anytime your thumb was in the vicinity of the thumb grip and it was fired, I only made that mistake once, but if I let someone else use it, even with the warning before hand. And it's the only weapon I have owned that has discharged unintended twice, the second time the slide blew apart. The first time I will take some responsibility for, I was clearing it, the slide jammed and I started to disassemble it to clear the slide, there is a pin you depress and it releases the slide from the frame usually, apparently it could also release the firing pin, or attempting to separate it just let it go, no one was hurt but I was embarrassed to say the least. Second time the cheap slide had split up front the last time it fired, I didn't see how it could have reloaded the slide hadn't even fully cycled forward, but apparently it cycled then broke around the nose where the recoil spring was around the barrel and seated in the nose , same situation trying to take it apart bam, hole in my wall, thing actually blew apart that time , I took the pieces smashed them beyond usefulness and threw it away. I could have gotten new parts under warranty and fixed it but I wasn't going to fire it again, and putting in someone else's hands would have been atleast irresponsible, at worst criminal, so busting that cursed thing to pieces seemed responsible. In the years since never another unintended discharge.

March 16, 2018, 12:06 AM	#2
44 AMP Staff Join Date: March 11, 2006 Location: Upper US Posts: 28,818	Sounds like your bad experience was because the gun jammed, or broke with a live round chambered. I would call that dangerous, indeed, but not necessarily a dangerous design. for a design that could be called dangerous, I'd put the Japanese Nambu type 94 at the top of the list. The trigger bar runs along the outside of the frame (just above the grip panel) and pressing on the bar will cause the gun to fire, without the trigger being pulled! I call that, DANGEROUS!! __________________ All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.

March 17, 2018, 10:05 AM	#11
SPEMack618 Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2010 Location: Central Georgia Posts: 1,863	I had a Intra-Tec Tec-9 clone, being a post AWB gun, can't remember it's exact designation, would double feed, run away, etc. etc. when hot. And then would slam fire. Pops sent it back and to my and his suprise, they sent us a brand new gun. Still have it to this day. I've found that even my most anti gun friends or little sister's most skiddish friends will have fun with it. __________________ NRA Life Member Read my blog! "The answer to any caliber debate is going to be .38 Super, 10mm, .357 Sig or .41 Magnum!"

March 17, 2018, 11:52 AM	#13
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	Think paragraphs. "...ever got slide bite from..." The wee thing doesn't fit your hand. That doesn't mean it's dangerous. "...discharged unintended..." Most likely also due to the fit. The slide blowing apart may be caused by the thing being the "cheapest handgun in America" according to the Truth About Guns guys. They found what appear to be cracks in the slide. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...ndgun-america/ __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

March 17, 2018, 05:56 PM	#14
Big Shrek Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: NorthWest Florida Posts: 1,358	Lorcin Pistols...they'll fire even on "Safe". That's what I consider dangerous... it's not so much the experienced pistoleer that would have an issue with this, but the non-gun person that got it as a first purchase, or as a 1st CC pistol that would be where the major problems would be...as they would tend to "Trust" a safety...whereas most experienced pistoleers know not to. Worst for Slide Bite...AMT Backup .380! It literally bites EVERYONE...finally did a melt job on it... then gave it to a cousin with tiny hands __________________ Marlin Specialist Calico Specialist A gun should be a tool in the hands of a deadly weapon, not a deadly weapon in the hands of a tool.

March 16, 2018, 03:39 AM	#3
kozak6 Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 3,113	A good friend of mine has a Phoenix Arms HP22. It has some issues with hammer follow. It's never doubled or tripled, but it makes me nervous. It also has a tendency to fail to extract, and then mangle the fresh round. Sooner or later, it's going to mangle the rim and set off the cartridge. Another friend briefly owned a Bryco 9mm. It suffered from occasional striker follow, but I don't think it doubled or tripled either.

March 16, 2018, 07:30 AM	#4
HistoryJunky Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2010 Location: Freeport, IL Posts: 833	I try to stay away from designs I would perceive as dangerous. I tend to research a gun before I buy it, and if it does have issues then I don't buy it. The only weapon I've ever owned that was potentially dangerous without intending to be was my Mosin Nagant. I got a little too happy with a dremel and the sear engagement. It made the trigger a lot lighter. It was still safe, unless the screw holding the part in wasn't tight enough. It fired one time on me when I closed the bolt too hard. The screw came lose. Lesson learned, nobody got hurt. Sent from my SM-G930R4 using Tapatalk

March 16, 2018, 09:46 AM	#5
COSteve Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2009 Posts: 1,344	My son and I have a collection of WWII Axis and Allies arms including both a Nambu Type 14 and the insanely dangerous Nambu Type 94 which can be fired by pushing on the exposed sear on left side of the frame. Only a bunch of lunatics would design a pistol with an exposed sear but they did. Yep, if you have it on your right hip in a holster and happen to jam into a tree, a building, or whatever in the heat of battle, or the inside of a tank (it was popular with their tankers) it will fire. We've tried it and it's easy to make it fire as you don't have to push that hard on the sear. The Japanese weren't famous for great firearms. Most of what they produced is so poorly designed it's an embarrassment to the firearms industry. And even worse, most of the crude junk they produced (especially their 'last ditch' stuff) was as dangerous to the shooter as their intended targets. Their pistols are mostly a joke, however, I've never heard of a more dangerous purposely designed firearm of any type, from any nation. And that includes the FP-45 Liberator.

March 16, 2018, 03:07 PM	#6
tallball Senior Member Join Date: October 17, 2014 Posts: 2,444	All of mine are dangerous. Pieces of lead fly out of the hole in the end. If you aren't careful, someone could get hurt.

March 16, 2018, 04:44 PM	#7
t45 Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2010 Location: Foothills, NC Posts: 782	My benchrest rifle with a 2oz trigger. I let my friend test (dry fire) the trigger 1st so he knew what a 2oz trigger felt like. Sure enough he closed the bolt and fired one off before he even thought about looking thru the scope. I had it set up on my machined rest so no harm done except to the backstop.

March 16, 2018, 04:58 PM	#8
Dragon breath Member Join Date: August 25, 2017 Posts: 27	My brother in law has a Jimenez 9mm that went full auto while He was shooting it a couple of years ago. The sear stuck down because the sear spring broke. Jimenez sent him every part that could be replaced on the gun. He replaced the parts and fired 5 rounds through it, and it has been in the closet ever since. He says that he just keeps it because it was his first gun, but it will probably never be shot again.

March 16, 2018, 05:34 PM	#9
zipspyder Junior member Join Date: June 13, 2017 Posts: 429	LOL...I was just going to mention I have a Jimenez 380 that is so futzy whether loaded or not it might be better to hand it to the perp so you have a better chance.

March 17, 2018, 12:57 AM	#10
tranders Senior Member Join Date: December 5, 2001 Location: Indiana Posts: 233	I have an old Iver Johnson TP-22 pistol that once it gets dirty will fire off a two or three shot burst at times. Clean it and it's fine.

March 17, 2018, 06:01 PM	#15
JERRYS. Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,968	Taurus has some semi auto that Brazilian police found would fire simply by shaking it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fn6GFSwTEw

March 17, 2018, 11:40 PM	#17
hemiram Senior Member Join Date: November 6, 2005 Location: Toledo, ohio Posts: 762	I had a FEG P9R that had such sharp edges on the trigger that it cut my finger on the first dry fire. One of a very few times I've used a dremel on a gun.

March 18, 2018, 02:25 PM	#18
willr Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2006 Posts: 356	Not being familiar with operation can make any semi-auto just plain dangerous. For example, the Mauser 1910 and 1914 slides do not work like those of others. The only way to close the slide on these is to insert a magazine. You just can't pull and release as you do on others. Similarly the CZ52 doesn't work quite exactly like others. willr

March 18, 2018, 08:06 PM	#19
jetinteriorguy Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2013 Posts: 3,173	Was taught at a very early age that if not handled correctly, all firearms are dangerous. Like TallBall said.

March 21, 2018, 09:26 PM	#21
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	The designs made by Davis-Warner (and called "The Infalllible") just about fit that category. When WWI prevented importation of the Schwarzlose "blow forward" (yes, that is correct), pistol, the company made and sold three versions of a .32 pistol whose breechblock was retained by a crosspin that was disengaged for field stripping. But if things were not put back together correctly, the breechblock came back in the shooter's face, not a happy situation. Fortunately, those guns (and the company) didn't last long, and the guns are interesting collectors' items today (but still dangerous!). Jim

March 22, 2018, 08:48 AM	#22
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	I had a Colt 1911 in 38 Super that was converted to a 38 cal wad gun. I would double, or tripple with every magazine (5 shot mags). Replaced the sear, trigger, hammer.............nothing I could do to fix the thing. I finely deactivated it so it could never be fired and gave it to a gun to be used as wall deceration, then went out and bougt a S&W Model 52 and never looked back. Another---------------------------------------------------------------------- My grandfather had a 16 gas single shot shotgun that he use to feed his family and the only gun he had when he worked for the Sheriff's office hauling prisionors from Perryville AR to Little Rock. I used that gun to kill my first deer. Not worth much to anyone but me. I wanted that gun in the worse way but my aunt had it, said she needed it for protection though she never had any shells for it. I came up with the idea that whe would be better off with a revolver, something she could handle. I talked her into letting me find her a revolver and trade. Sold her on the idea. I was only about 16-17 and didnt have much money so I went to the hardware store and paid $28 for a new RG pot metal piece of junk snub nose. (kids could buy guns in them days, no questions asked. I didnt know much about guns but I knew I didnt have the guts to shoot that thing. Anyway I traded the new, in the box "thing" for the shotgun. I didnt give her any shells, and figured she would never buy any so I was safe. Dont know what happened to that thing. Dont care. But I still have the shotgun, as I said it isnt worth much to any one but me, and one of my kids who's showed an interest, but for the history, not for shooting. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

March 22, 2018, 10:07 AM	#23
BillM Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2009 Location: Amity Oregon Posts: 791	The old Sterling 300/302 pocket pistols with plastic grip panels. If you gripped them firmly, the grip panel flexed and bound up the trigger bar/sear. Would not fire. When you relaxed your grip, it would fire. A bit annoying.

March 22, 2018, 10:16 AM	#24
pete2 Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 2,566	I had a Taurus .40 Beretta copy that would jam every once in a while for no reason what so ever. You cant trust a gun like that. No good for anything in my book. It could get you killed.

March 22, 2018, 12:16 PM	#25
larryf1952 Senior Member Join Date: July 17, 2004 Location: KCMO Posts: 615	Another story regarding the TEC 9. A friend of mine had bought one of the early guns. This would've been around 1986 or '87. He invited me over to shoot it. It was horribly inaccurate. I could not hit a water filled milk jug from 25 feet. Later, he told me that the bolt handle had broken off of it, with a round chambered. Since he had no way to retract the bolt, he tried removing the receiver from the frame. When he did, the gun fired and put a round through the side of his freezer that he had in his garage. He showed me the hole in the freezer and opened the door to show me where he retrieved the spent bullet. I yelled at him and extolled him to get rid of the POS. Not so surprisingly, he followed my advice.