350 Legend - Page 3

mehavey · July 12, 2020, 07:03 PM

NO! You do not Crimp the Legend any more than you "crimp" 45ACP.
Like any rimless straightwall cartridge, it headspaces on the mouth, which must remain straight, and at SAAMI diameter.

I strongly recommend not using the FCD/compressing the sides, and just sizing it back to SAAMI.

postscript: I have -- and have tried -- both FCD and "normal' seating die (RCBS) "crimp".
Don't to it. Use the sizer.

reynolds357 · July 12, 2020, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mehavey

NO! You do not Crimp the Legend any more than you "crimp" 45ACP.
Like any rimless straightwall cartridge, it headspaces on the mouth, which must remain straight, and at SAAMI diameter.

I strongly recommend not using the FCD/compressing the sides, and just sizing it back to SAAMI.

postscript: I have -- and have tried -- both FCD and "normal' seating die (RCBS) "crimp".
Don't to it. Use the sizer.

You crimp it. Measure factory 444 Marlin, 350 legend or 450 Bushmaster ammo. Its crimped.
This is what Lee says about 3 die 350 legend set.

"Lee Steel Die Sets have features identical to the Lee Carbide 3-Die Set except the case MUST be lubricated for sizing. Sizer Die, Powder Through Expander Die, Bullet Seater Die, Shellholder, Powder Measure, load chart and storage case included. Bullet seater die features and adjustable taper to roll crimp."

And then there is this:
https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.c...tory-crimp-die

mehavey · July 12, 2020, 08:16 PM

I'm advising from [school of hard knocks] experience over about 700 rounds, jacketed and cast,
Do as you see fit.

reynolds357 · July 12, 2020, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mehavey

I'm advising from [school of hard knocks] experience over about 700 rounds, jacketed and cast,
Do as you see fit.

I have only loaded a little over a thousand 444 Marlin and about 800 450 Bushmaster.
I quit loading cast many years ago. I have forgotten about all I ever knew about cast reloading.

reynolds357 · July 19, 2020, 09:05 PM

I believe the 350 Legend is the most fun Rifle I have. Shooting 200 yards is a trip. Seems like it takes the bullets all day to get there.

Cheapshooter · July 19, 2020, 09:51 PM

I might build one just to add to the stable. But I already have a 450 Bushy that has similar trajectory, with more thump when it gets there.

stagpanther · July 20, 2020, 06:20 AM

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Seems like it takes the bullets all day to get there.

That's because on the way to the target they stop at Starbucks for a latte and catch up on the local gossip.

Still one of the most ridiculous cartridge designs I've ever seen.

I could see it ending it's career in a pistol though.

mehavey · July 20, 2020, 07:12 AM

Stag & I . . . . (respectfully

) disagree.

mehavey · July 20, 2020, 07:37 AM

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GeauxTide · July 20, 2020, 09:37 AM

My 450 AR shoots into one hole, recoils like a 20ga, and is a thumper with 250FTX. I don't know why Winchester keeps going the Marketing route, i.e. the Short Mags. If you want something different, get a 300 HAM'R. Mine shoots 1/2" with 135FTX at 2400.

reynolds357 · July 20, 2020, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GeauxTide

My 450 AR shoots into one hole, recoils like a 20ga, and is a thumper with 250FTX. I don't know why Winchester keeps going the Marketing route, i.e. the Short Mags. If you want something different, get a 300 HAM'R. Mine shoots 1/2" with 135FTX at 2400.

I love my 450 B.M. It is superior in every category, including recoil.
I love guns. To me, its not 450 BM or 350 Legend. Its both. I see no problem owning both. I see no problem owning a .30-30 and a .444 Marlin. I see no problem owning a .308 Win, a .30-06, a .300 Win mag, a .300 Wby, and a .30-378 Wby.

stagpanther · July 20, 2020, 04:41 PM

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Stag & I . . . . (respectfully ) disagree.

You have adapted and successfully overcome the natural limitations of the cartridge and achieved great results--that's all that matters and I fully understand why you "feel the love."

I still think it's a very limited design with several weaknesses--one which blew up in my AR and almost blew up in yours!

If I felt it was a really good design I would stick with it, but I have better things to concentrate on.

Peace and love to all cartridges

7.62 man · July 20, 2020, 05:48 PM

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Which brand has crimped primers?

It looks like all three of the brands I bought have rings stamped around the primers. But you are right it's not a real problem a reloader can't over come.

7.62 man · July 20, 2020, 05:58 PM

I have been doing some playing with mine & I can't believe how accurate it is when you find the right ammo.

100yds shooting Winchester 150gr Deer Season XP 5 round pattern

100yds with Hornady 170gr American Whitetail SP 5 round pattern

reynolds357 · July 20, 2020, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 7.62 man

I have been doing some playing with mine & I can't believe how accurate it is when you find the right ammo.

100yds shooting Winchester 150gr Deer Season XP 5 round pattern

100yds with Hornady 170gr American Whitetail SP 5 round pattern

Straightwalls are notoriously accurate.

reynolds357 · July 20, 2020, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 7.62 man

It looks like all three of the brands I bought have rings stamped around the primers. But you are right it's not a real problem a reloader can't over come.

Thats not crimped. Not in the least bit crimped. Compare that to milspec brass. I have deprimed Hornaday and Winchester. Definitely not crimped.

7.62 man · July 20, 2020, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by reynolds357

Thats not crimped. Not in the least bit crimped. Compare that to milspec brass. I have deprimed Hornaday and Winchester. Definitely not crimped.

The edge of the case pushes up just like crimped brass. Look at the last picture.
If it's not crimped it may as well be because it requires the same brass care to remove it.

kraigwy · July 20, 2020, 06:36 PM

I guess I have a different take on the 350 Legion. Living in Wyoming its not the best, most of my hunting of antelope and deer is north of 300 yards.

However, after all these years my wife decided we are gonna be Snow Birds, I we bought a house on a lake in Central Arkansas, just 8 miles from my mothers place. The family still own a bit of land there and Arkansas has liberal hunting seasons, A non resident lic comes with 6 deer tags. Dont know what you know about Arkansas, but our land would make the Jungles of Vietnam look like the Barren tundra of western Alaska. You're lucky to get a shot at more then 25-40 yards.

I'm always looking for an excuse to get a new gun and I'm a big time Winchester fan. So I get an XPR Compact in 350 legion.

I am actually impressed. Couldnt find any ammo in Wyoming for the little round ( surprise) so I ordered dies, Win Brass and Hornady 170 gr bullets. Hornady list lit gun as a good powder for the legion so I pick up a pound of it to try. I found tht 27 gr pushes the 170 gr slug @ 2298 fps out of the XPR Compact and i found it to be quite accurate. It recoils about like my wifes 243 our of her Model 70. Ballisticly it hits harder then the same weight bullet out of a 30-30. Easy to load for, doesnt need crimped in the XPR bolt gun.

People mentioned using cast bullets. First off its a .355 not a 357, In lead bullets the leat 125 Gr 9mm bullet works well. Hodgen reloading data again list lit Gun and a good powder. My mold cast the 125 gr bullet at .356, and again I use 27 grs, Vel is about 2550 and doesnt shoot that bad.

I'm not replacing my 6.5 CM or 270 as a Wyoming rifle, and I certainly wouldnt use the legion on elk, but as a short range white tail gun in the thick timber of Central Arkansas i think its gonna be the cats meow.

Heck of a lot of gun banging steel to 300 yards too. Cheap to shoot. Easy to load for and brass should last quite a while.

Ammo isnt too easy to find in Wyoming, but I reload anyway.

reynolds357 · July 20, 2020, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 7.62 man

The edge of the case pushes up just like crimped brass. Look at the last picture.
If it's not crimped it may as well be because it requires the same brass care to remove it.

Running through a sizing die with almost no force?
What are you having to do to remove the primers?

Creek Henry · July 23, 2020, 09:43 PM

Has anyone made a viable 357 legend wildcat? Fire forming should be easy and that would give you a much larger choice of bullets.

stagpanther · July 24, 2020, 12:27 AM

Better yet a 358 legend. KAK made some initially and I've been waiting over a year for them to start making them again, at this point it's waiting for Godot. There's a fellow on this forum who's thought about producing a run, I'd be up for it if that ever happened.

armednfree · July 26, 2020, 05:57 PM

I have one, a 20 inch AR-15. I would put it the same class as a 30-30 hunting wise. I think the advertisement is way over done.

By the way, don't judge it by the cheap Winchester 147gr FMJ. That stuff tends to be garbage. It short cycles mine and others bolts.

zoo · July 30, 2020, 08:12 PM

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By the way, don't judge it by the cheap Winchester 147gr FMJ. That stuff tends to be garbage. It short cycles mine and others bolts.

Armednfree, you mean the Winchester 145 grain FMJ? They run fine out of both of the 350 AR rifle uppers I've used. Also inexpensive and great for practice.

What kind of barrel do you have on your 20" AR and what size is the feed ramp? For a while a lot of people were trying to run AR 350 rifles with standard 5.56 ramps. That's a no go. Need 300 or larger.

July 12, 2020, 07:03 PM	#51
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,896	NO! You do not Crimp the Legend any more than you "crimp" 45ACP. Like any rimless straightwall cartridge, it headspaces on the mouth, which must remain straight, and at SAAMI diameter. I strongly recommend not using the FCD/compressing the sides, and just sizing it back to SAAMI. postscript: I have -- and have tried -- both FCD and "normal' seating die (RCBS) "crimp". Don't to it. Use the sizer. Last edited by mehavey; July 12, 2020 at 07:11 PM.

July 12, 2020, 08:16 PM	#53
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,896	I'm advising from [school of hard knocks] experience over about 700 rounds, jacketed and cast, Do as you see fit. Last edited by mehavey; July 12, 2020 at 08:23 PM.

July 19, 2020, 09:51 PM	#56
Cheapshooter Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,306	I might build one just to add to the stable. But I already have a 450 Bushy that has similar trajectory, with more thump when it gets there. __________________ Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!

July 20, 2020, 07:37 AM	#59
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,896	- Deleted Dupe - Last edited by mehavey; July 20, 2020 at 07:59 AM.

July 20, 2020, 09:37 AM	#60
GeauxTide Senior Member Join Date: April 20, 2009 Location: Helena, AL Posts: 4,424	My 450 AR shoots into one hole, recoils like a 20ga, and is a thumper with 250FTX. I don't know why Winchester keeps going the Marketing route, i.e. the Short Mags. If you want something different, get a 300 HAM'R. Mine shoots 1/2" with 135FTX at 2400. __________________ Reloading For: 223R, 243W, 6.5 GR, 6.5 CM, 260R, 6.5-06, 280R, 7mmRM, 300HAM'R, 308W, 30-06, 338-06, 9mm, 357M, 41M, 44SPL, 44M, 45 ACP, 45 Colt, 450BM.

July 19, 2020, 09:05 PM	#55
reynolds357 Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2012 Posts: 6,165	I believe the 350 Legend is the most fun Rifle I have. Shooting 200 yards is a trip. Seems like it takes the bullets all day to get there.

July 20, 2020, 07:12 AM	#58
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,896	Stag & I . . . . (respectfully ) disagree.

July 20, 2020, 05:58 PM	#64
7.62 man Senior Member Join Date: April 30, 2009 Location: Cyber-world USA Posts: 258	I have been doing some playing with mine & I can't believe how accurate it is when you find the right ammo. 100yds shooting Winchester 150gr Deer Season XP 5 round pattern 100yds with Hornady 170gr American Whitetail SP 5 round pattern

July 20, 2020, 06:36 PM	#68
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	I guess I have a different take on the 350 Legion. Living in Wyoming its not the best, most of my hunting of antelope and deer is north of 300 yards. However, after all these years my wife decided we are gonna be Snow Birds, I we bought a house on a lake in Central Arkansas, just 8 miles from my mothers place. The family still own a bit of land there and Arkansas has liberal hunting seasons, A non resident lic comes with 6 deer tags. Dont know what you know about Arkansas, but our land would make the Jungles of Vietnam look like the Barren tundra of western Alaska. You're lucky to get a shot at more then 25-40 yards. I'm always looking for an excuse to get a new gun and I'm a big time Winchester fan. So I get an XPR Compact in 350 legion. I am actually impressed. Couldnt find any ammo in Wyoming for the little round ( surprise) so I ordered dies, Win Brass and Hornady 170 gr bullets. Hornady list lit gun as a good powder for the legion so I pick up a pound of it to try. I found tht 27 gr pushes the 170 gr slug @ 2298 fps out of the XPR Compact and i found it to be quite accurate. It recoils about like my wifes 243 our of her Model 70. Ballisticly it hits harder then the same weight bullet out of a 30-30. Easy to load for, doesnt need crimped in the XPR bolt gun. People mentioned using cast bullets. First off its a .355 not a 357, In lead bullets the leat 125 Gr 9mm bullet works well. Hodgen reloading data again list lit Gun and a good powder. My mold cast the 125 gr bullet at .356, and again I use 27 grs, Vel is about 2550 and doesnt shoot that bad. I'm not replacing my 6.5 CM or 270 as a Wyoming rifle, and I certainly wouldnt use the legion on elk, but as a short range white tail gun in the thick timber of Central Arkansas i think its gonna be the cats meow. Heck of a lot of gun banging steel to 300 yards too. Cheap to shoot. Easy to load for and brass should last quite a while. Ammo isnt too easy to find in Wyoming, but I reload anyway. __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

July 23, 2020, 09:43 PM	#70
Creek Henry Senior Member Join Date: October 23, 2009 Location: Dallas Posts: 514	Has anyone made a viable 357 legend wildcat? Fire forming should be easy and that would give you a much larger choice of bullets.

July 24, 2020, 12:27 AM	#71
stagpanther Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2014 Posts: 11,789	Better yet a 358 legend. KAK made some initially and I've been waiting over a year for them to start making them again, at this point it's waiting for Godot. There's a fellow on this forum who's thought about producing a run, I'd be up for it if that ever happened. __________________ "Everyone speaks gun."--Robert O'Neill *I am NOT an expert--I do not have any formal experience or certification in firearms use or testing; use any information I post at your own risk!*

July 26, 2020, 05:57 PM	#72
armednfree Senior Member Join Date: October 30, 2016 Posts: 211	I have one, a 20 inch AR-15. I would put it the same class as a 30-30 hunting wise. I think the advertisement is way over done. By the way, don't judge it by the cheap Winchester 147gr FMJ. That stuff tends to be garbage. It short cycles mine and others bolts.