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November 17, 2018, 07:11 PM | #1 |
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Do silencers/suppressors have negative effects on a rifle?
I have a Stag mdl 6 with the long S/S bull barrel in 223. A tack driver!!! I have been contemplating applying for a suppressor and having my barrel fitted with threads. My biggest concern is screwing up a hec of a nice rifle, and wondering if shooting with a suppressor has any adverse effects on the gun.
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November 17, 2018, 07:17 PM | #2 |
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Changes it, but if you get a halfway decent suppressor, improves or at least maintains the accuracy. POI will drop in most cases, so you will need to re-zero.
It is overgassed from the factory and will be more so with a suppressor. If you are using slow burning powders, you will wear gas rings faster and it will run a good bit dirtier. Use faster powders and use and adjustable gas block and you can reap the benefits with no negatives. |
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November 17, 2018, 07:29 PM | #4 |
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With a suppressor, heat will build up faster and it will get dirtier quicker. As Mark mentioned, it will change your point of impact; but I’ve never noticed a negative impact on accuracy.
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November 17, 2018, 07:40 PM | #6 |
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This would be for precision. I will look at the Thunderbeast. Thanks friends.
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November 17, 2018, 07:52 PM | #7 |
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My suggestion: Rather than dismantle a "hec of a nice rifle" to have it threaded, just buy another upper better suited to suppressor use. A mid-gassed 16" or rifle gassed 18" will make a better suppressor host than a "long bull barrel" anyway.
As for the "half way decent suppressor", just make a budget and buy within that limit. I bought a PSD .223 can as a budget purchase and would buy another(or two) simply on performance even though I have more to spend. |
November 17, 2018, 08:44 PM | #8 |
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Great idea. Man I love asking questions here. I know nothing about suppressors. I really didn't want to mess with my Stag Mdl 6. Mobuck that is a great idea.
Thanks for the input! It relieved my anxiety thinking of cutting on the Stag mdl 6. |
November 17, 2018, 09:21 PM | #9 |
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I agree with MarkCO, if you're looking for a precision rifle silencer, Thunder Beast is the best. But if you're looking for a heavy-duty silencer for rapid-fire and/or short barrel use, there are better options.
The Halo is tough, but it's far from Marine proof. You wouldn't believe the things we break! I managed to break my 590A1 the second time I shot it. And I've destroyed both an Octane 9 and an SWR Wolverine 5.56 silencer, and both are designed as hard-use cans. My wife is constantly annoyed with how many things I accidentally break, the latest was her car door handle. But, being a former Marine infantryman, luckily I have an excuse. Apparently nothing is "grunt proof".
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POI will usually go down as noted and from what I have seen, also goes down to the left. However, there are some Youtube vids that demonstrate down and left, down, down and right, and in a couple of cases, POI actually moved higher. 1-2 MOA off isn't uncommon when adding a suppressor. I have seen as much as 7 MOA.
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November 18, 2018, 09:22 AM | #11 |
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Get yourself a Thunderbeast and a cheapo weighing the same Double Naught Spy, and do the test yourself. The results are irrefutable, definitely not myth.
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November 18, 2018, 12:58 PM | #12 | |
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Adding a suppressor you may improve accuracy or decrease accuracy. Ammo, barrel/rifle, and muzzle device all work in harmony with on another. Less accuracy happens even with good suppressors, sometimes.
Here is an article that shows this well... https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/r...te-suppressor/ Interestingly, the Silencerco Specwar (which is considered to be a good suppressor) decreased accuracy and increased accuracy depending on the rifle and the ammo. https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/r...te-suppressor/ Here is an appropriate quote... Quote:
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Every rifle is different - with or without something hanging off the end of the barrel. --Whether it's a suppressor, muzzle brake, compensator, or clamp-on bipod. Adding (or subtracting) something that changes barrel harmonics is going to be an unknown until it's tested. It's that simple. My .270 Win went to crap with my "One Load to Rule Them All" after it was chopped and threaded. But, after testing some other ammo, I found that it was now performing better with lighter bullets than it had in the past. Add the suppressor, and my 'one load' does improve a bit (but not enough). Some bullets with lighter loads are better with the suppressor. Some are a bit worse. But, of course, all of them have a POI shift. To me, it's all about barrel harmonics ... and that's not a subject where we can predict anything.
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November 18, 2018, 07:56 PM | #14 |
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If you're going with a different upper, look at a piston driven or buy an Adams Arms piston kit for a DIY. Otherwise for sure go with an adjustable gas block.
I have good results with the 18" rifle gas combination. The last pair I assembled (w/o adjustable blocks)were just barely functional until broken in but after 50 rounds, are running fine un-muffled and don't suffer or require tweeking for suppressor use. |
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Other than that, (and the Fed required paperwork, cost, and time) no. They can change the point of impact, so a zero with the device in place is needed. Otherwise, there's no real effect in general, though SOME individual rifles might group better or worse, its due to the change in barrel harmonics, not the fact that its a silencer/suppressor. Attach a bayonet to the gun and you can see a similar kind of change. Has nothing to do with it being a knife.
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November 20, 2018, 06:55 AM | #16 |
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A muffler definitely causes more fouling build-up. A piston driven AR gets less fouling but isn't immune. Even bolt actions are affected.
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December 6, 2018, 10:56 AM | #17 |
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IME shooting 6.5CM and 308 supressed you will observe a slight decrease in consistiency. (Notice im not saying "loose accuracy"). I have the Sig 7.62 SRD Ti direct mount and i dont observe any measurable decrease in accuracy. I do notice what seems to be a more frequent stray shot that i didnt call. Seems i get more frequent strays in the cold months . I start seeing these fliers more identifiable at 600 yds. Maybe its just me, but just throwing this out there.
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