TC Venture 270 wsm

kilotanker22 · December 29, 2018, 02:20 AM

I traded one of my axis 2 rifles for a TC Venture in 270WSM brand new.

I didn't realize that it had a 22 inch barrel until I got home....... I will rebarrel this at some point anyway, but honestly whats the point in a magnum cartridge with such a short barrel??

Any of you all have this rifle? How does the velocity suffer from the shorter barrel?

jmr40 · December 29, 2018, 02:15 PM

The WSM's are quite efficient and do fine in shorter barrels. Ruger offered one with a 16" barrel. Personally I think 22" is about right for the cartridge. Certainly no more than 24". It'll still be faster than a 270WCF with a 26" barrel.

kilotanker22 · December 29, 2018, 04:40 PM

Thanks for the input jmr40....

I picked up dies, bullets and some H1000 for it today. I guess we shall see how she does.

reynolds357 · December 29, 2018, 08:39 PM

I have one. It's faster than my 270 Win with a 26" barrel.
The chamber on MI e is tight. It will barely shoot factory loads and reloads done without a small base die are sticky, sticky, sticky. I should send it back to s&w for the third time, but I probably won't waste my time.

kilotanker22 · January 4, 2019, 11:10 PM

Reynolds357,

I got to working up a load for this today. The throat is very short. And the chamber is definitely tighter than my other 270 wsm. Will not chamber brass from my other rifle. Even partially resized. I did pick up new dies and a bag of brass just for this rifle though.

Can't wait to get to the range and see how it goes. Loaded up a few test loads with H-1000 and Magpro tonight

std7mag · January 4, 2019, 11:48 PM

Congrats on the new rifle!
The Mossberg Patriot line is straight 22" regardless of caliber.
Even their 7mm Rem Mag.

kilotanker22 · January 5, 2019, 12:20 AM

This one is a TC Venture.

std7mag · January 5, 2019, 09:22 AM

Yep, read that in the first post.

reynolds357 · January 5, 2019, 11:35 AM

[QUOTEI got to working up a load for this today. The throat is very short. And the chamber is definitely tighter than my other 270 wsm. Will not chamber brass from my other rifle. Even partially resized. I did pick up new dies and a bag of brass just for this rifle though.

Can't wait to get to the range and see how it goes. Loaded up a few test loads with H-1000 and Magpro tonight][/QUOTE]
I shoot Ramshot Magnum in mine. (Mainly because I have a lifetime supply of it I got for cheap.) It's about the same as MagPro. Shoots good.

kilotanker22 · January 25, 2019, 10:38 AM

This rifle has turned out to be an excellent shooter. It really loves magpto and 140 grain bullets. I am glad I got this thing.

ndking1126 · January 25, 2019, 11:41 AM

Kilo, in terms of percussion/noise/fireball from the shot, does the missing 2" make much of a difference over your longer barrel?

kilotanker22 · January 25, 2019, 12:27 PM

Not really.

Wendyj · January 26, 2019, 09:50 PM

I reload for my husbands 300 wsm with a 22 inch barrel. It shoots cloverleaf groups all day. The 300 win mag was taking its toll on a torn rotate record cuff. He’s hitting steel out to 100 with it easy. He came close to buying the 270 wsm but we had a house load of 30 caliber bullets to reload so henceforth the 300 wsm. The 22 inch has seemed to had no effect. We are using imr 4451 powder and it appears to be burning it all before bullet leaves the muzzle. No flash and recoil much lighter.

reynolds357 · January 26, 2019, 10:27 PM

I can't notice any difference in recoil between 300 Win Mag and 300 WSM.

LineStretcher · January 26, 2019, 10:52 PM

I have a McMillan G30 Dynasty that is picky about brass also. I typically anneal after every firing and then do a full resize. It's not my favorite way to reload but the accuracy is consistently sub MOA at 200 yards so I think it's worth it.

I like the WSM's, I have a Browning X Bolt 300 WSM also. Ammunition is always easy to find for the 300 but not always as easy for the 270 so I just make sure I buy an extra box when I find it locally. It's easy to find online.

The WSM's have a recoil that is more of a push if you stick with factory loads or recommended powders. I like both of mine and hunt with them at least once a season.

kilotanker22 · January 26, 2019, 11:58 PM

I also like the WSM cartridges. I just wish I could find a factory gun with a 26 inch Barrel for the 270 WSM... I will probably end up putting a 26 inch barrel on this action when I wear this barrel out.

I have also thought about having a barrel made for 6.5 WSM... That should be fun.

reynolds357 · January 27, 2019, 11:14 AM

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I have a McMillan G30 Dynasty that is picky about brass also. I typically anneal after every firing and then do a full resize. It's not my favorite way to reload but the accuracy is consistently sub MOA at 200 yards so I think it's worth it.

If you have to anneal every time you load, you have an issue of some kind going on with something. Brass should not get that hard through one sizing and firing cycle. Maybe you need to either inside ream or outside turn the necks.

LineStretcher · January 27, 2019, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by reynolds357

If you have to anneal every time you load, you have an issue of some kind going on with something. Brass should not get that hard through one sizing and firing cycle. Maybe you need to either inside ream or outside turn the necks.

If you don't mind, I won't take your advice. My McMillan is a 6000.00 rifle and is about as close to perfect as you can get. Now if I didn't know that the 270 WSM was known to be subject to work hardening then I would have sent it back to have it looked at. As you can see by prior posts in this thread, several are having the same problem, they just don't understand why yet.

reynolds357 · January 27, 2019, 02:10 PM

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If you don't mind, I won't take your advice. My McMillan is a 6000.00 rifle and is about as close to perfect as you can get. Now if I didn't know that the 270 WSM was known to be subject to work hardening then I would have sent it back to have it looked at. As you can see by prior posts in this thread, several are having the same problem, they just don't understand why yet.

I really don't care what you do. The 270 WSM is no more subject to work hardening than any other bottleneck running at that pressure. If you have what you describe happening, it is due to extreme over working. A smart person would turn or ream a couple pieces of brass and see if it cured the problem. Most bench rest shooters turn or ream brass. Maybe your $6k rifle thinks it's bench rest and wants its brass necks turned. Personally, if I paid $6000 for a rifle that was only sub minute accurate, I would be mad as Hades. I hope it is at least 1/2 minute at that cost. If I built a rifle that was minute accurate, I would be ashamed of it. (Unless it was an Elephant rifle)
If you e-mailed McMillan and asked, I bet you would find they used a tight necked reamer. (Just my guess) I sure would hope they used one.

gw44 · January 27, 2019, 08:23 PM

Savage makes the storm in 270wsm with a 24" barrel, (heavy barrel) that's the one for me !!!!

kilotanker22 · February 6, 2019, 06:47 PM

I tried a few loads the other day in this rifle that were only neck sized as an experiment. They didnt chamber hard,, but many of them did in fact chamber with some resistance. (Back to FL sizing it is.)

I am also finding that I am getting pretty impressive velocities in this rifle with H-1000, and RL 26.

kilotanker22 · February 6, 2019, 06:48 PM

And although the Magpro shoots really well in this rifle it is pretty slow. almost 200 FPS behind RL 26. Although I guess I could step on the gas a little with the magpro.

reynolds357 · February 6, 2019, 07:37 PM

Supreme 780 is the highest velocity powder I have found in 130 gr.

ndking1126 · February 6, 2019, 10:12 PM

Kilo, maybe you can help me out on this one. I'm not new to reloading, but am still in that initial learning phase.

I have often heard of people only neck-sizing their fired brass, but I don't see any way one would be able to chamber that cartridge and have it close normally. I would think the result you had (ie, it not closing normally) would be what would happen every time. I know I've always had to FL resize my brass.
And actually, one time I had a problem where I ran them through the FL resizing die and they still didn't chamber. All I had to do was screw the FL die in about another 1/8th of a turn and they were fine. Can you explain how there would ever be a time a bolt would close on a cartridge that hasn't been FL resized?

kilotanker22 · February 7, 2019, 12:00 AM

Good question lol.

I have had rifles that would chamber neck sized brass OK for several firings. others that wouldn't. Most often when people neck size they will bump the shoulder back a few thousandths.

I do not generally neck size brass. I full length size every time. The reason is. I feel like by full length sizing every time my brass will start at a more consistent size after being through the die. Than it would be after it rebounds from expanding in the chamber. I don't know if there is any truth to that. I have noticed ,more consistent velocities and less vertical stringing in my own groups. That could just be coincidence.

Neck sizing this time was only experimental.

December 29, 2018, 02:20 AM	#1
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	TC Venture 270 wsm I traded one of my axis 2 rifles for a TC Venture in 270WSM brand new. I didn't realize that it had a 22 inch barrel until I got home....... I will rebarrel this at some point anyway, but honestly whats the point in a magnum cartridge with such a short barrel?? Any of you all have this rifle? How does the velocity suffer from the shorter barrel?

December 29, 2018, 02:15 PM	#2
jmr40 Senior Member Join Date: June 15, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 10,808	The WSM's are quite efficient and do fine in shorter barrels. Ruger offered one with a 16" barrel. Personally I think 22" is about right for the cartridge. Certainly no more than 24". It'll still be faster than a 270WCF with a 26" barrel. __________________ "If you're still doing things the same way you were doing them 10 years ago, you're doing it wrong" Winston Churchill

January 4, 2019, 11:48 PM	#6
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	Congrats on the new rifle! The Mossberg Patriot line is straight 22" regardless of caliber. Even their 7mm Rem Mag. __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

January 5, 2019, 09:22 AM	#8
std7mag Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2013 Location: Central Taxylvania.. Posts: 3,609	Yep, read that in the first post. __________________ When our own government declares itself as "tyrannical", where does that leave us??!! "Januarary 6th insurrection". Funny, I didn't see a single piece of rope...

January 26, 2019, 09:50 PM	#13
Wendyj Senior Member Join Date: April 3, 2015 Location: North Georgia Posts: 1,372	I reload for my husbands 300 wsm with a 22 inch barrel. It shoots cloverleaf groups all day. The 300 win mag was taking its toll on a torn rotate record cuff. He’s hitting steel out to 100 with it easy. He came close to buying the 270 wsm but we had a house load of 30 caliber bullets to reload so henceforth the 300 wsm. The 22 inch has seemed to had no effect. We are using imr 4451 powder and it appears to be burning it all before bullet leaves the muzzle. No flash and recoil much lighter. __________________ God is NOT dead!!!!

December 29, 2018, 04:40 PM	#3
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	Thanks for the input jmr40.... I picked up dies, bullets and some H1000 for it today. I guess we shall see how she does.

December 29, 2018, 08:39 PM	#4
reynolds357 Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2012 Posts: 6,165	I have one. It's faster than my 270 Win with a 26" barrel. The chamber on MI e is tight. It will barely shoot factory loads and reloads done without a small base die are sticky, sticky, sticky. I should send it back to s&w for the third time, but I probably won't waste my time.

January 4, 2019, 11:10 PM	#5
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	Reynolds357, I got to working up a load for this today. The throat is very short. And the chamber is definitely tighter than my other 270 wsm. Will not chamber brass from my other rifle. Even partially resized. I did pick up new dies and a bag of brass just for this rifle though. Can't wait to get to the range and see how it goes. Loaded up a few test loads with H-1000 and Magpro tonight

January 5, 2019, 12:20 AM	#7
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	This one is a TC Venture.

January 5, 2019, 11:35 AM	#9
reynolds357 Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2012 Posts: 6,165	[QUOTEI got to working up a load for this today. The throat is very short. And the chamber is definitely tighter than my other 270 wsm. Will not chamber brass from my other rifle. Even partially resized. I did pick up new dies and a bag of brass just for this rifle though. Can't wait to get to the range and see how it goes. Loaded up a few test loads with H-1000 and Magpro tonight][/QUOTE] I shoot Ramshot Magnum in mine. (Mainly because I have a lifetime supply of it I got for cheap.) It's about the same as MagPro. Shoots good.

January 25, 2019, 10:38 AM	#10
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	This rifle has turned out to be an excellent shooter. It really loves magpto and 140 grain bullets. I am glad I got this thing.

January 25, 2019, 11:41 AM	#11
ndking1126 Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2008 Location: Madison, AL Posts: 1,932	Kilo, in terms of percussion/noise/fireball from the shot, does the missing 2" make much of a difference over your longer barrel?

January 25, 2019, 12:27 PM	#12
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	Not really.

January 26, 2019, 10:27 PM	#14
reynolds357 Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2012 Posts: 6,165	I can't notice any difference in recoil between 300 Win Mag and 300 WSM.

January 26, 2019, 10:52 PM	#15
LineStretcher Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2018 Posts: 619	I have a McMillan G30 Dynasty that is picky about brass also. I typically anneal after every firing and then do a full resize. It's not my favorite way to reload but the accuracy is consistently sub MOA at 200 yards so I think it's worth it. I like the WSM's, I have a Browning X Bolt 300 WSM also. Ammunition is always easy to find for the 300 but not always as easy for the 270 so I just make sure I buy an extra box when I find it locally. It's easy to find online. The WSM's have a recoil that is more of a push if you stick with factory loads or recommended powders. I like both of mine and hunt with them at least once a season.

January 26, 2019, 11:58 PM	#16
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	I also like the WSM cartridges. I just wish I could find a factory gun with a 26 inch Barrel for the 270 WSM... I will probably end up putting a 26 inch barrel on this action when I wear this barrel out. I have also thought about having a barrel made for 6.5 WSM... That should be fun.

January 27, 2019, 08:23 PM	#20
gw44 Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 311	Savage makes the storm in 270wsm with a 24" barrel, (heavy barrel) that's the one for me !!!! Last edited by gw44; January 27, 2019 at 09:16 PM.

February 6, 2019, 06:47 PM	#21
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	I tried a few loads the other day in this rifle that were only neck sized as an experiment. They didnt chamber hard,, but many of them did in fact chamber with some resistance. (Back to FL sizing it is.) I am also finding that I am getting pretty impressive velocities in this rifle with H-1000, and RL 26.

February 6, 2019, 06:48 PM	#22
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	And although the Magpro shoots really well in this rifle it is pretty slow. almost 200 FPS behind RL 26. Although I guess I could step on the gas a little with the magpro.

February 6, 2019, 07:37 PM	#23
reynolds357 Senior Member Join Date: December 10, 2012 Posts: 6,165	Supreme 780 is the highest velocity powder I have found in 130 gr.

February 6, 2019, 10:12 PM	#24
ndking1126 Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2008 Location: Madison, AL Posts: 1,932	Kilo, maybe you can help me out on this one. I'm not new to reloading, but am still in that initial learning phase. I have often heard of people only neck-sizing their fired brass, but I don't see any way one would be able to chamber that cartridge and have it close normally. I would think the result you had (ie, it not closing normally) would be what would happen every time. I know I've always had to FL resize my brass. And actually, one time I had a problem where I ran them through the FL resizing die and they still didn't chamber. All I had to do was screw the FL die in about another 1/8th of a turn and they were fine. Can you explain how there would ever be a time a bolt would close on a cartridge that hasn't been FL resized?

February 7, 2019, 12:00 AM	#25
kilotanker22 Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2012 Location: North Central, PA Posts: 2,117	Good question lol. I have had rifles that would chamber neck sized brass OK for several firings. others that wouldn't. Most often when people neck size they will bump the shoulder back a few thousandths. I do not generally neck size brass. I full length size every time. The reason is. I feel like by full length sizing every time my brass will start at a more consistent size after being through the die. Than it would be after it rebounds from expanding in the chamber. I don't know if there is any truth to that. I have noticed ,more consistent velocities and less vertical stringing in my own groups. That could just be coincidence. Neck sizing this time was only experimental.